Microsoft plans to continue supporting Windows 10 through 2025, after which the company expects users to move to Windows 11 (or Windows 12, if you believe the rumors). But if you have an older PC, you might not be able to upgrade the operating system due to stricter system requirements for Windows 11.

And that means that hundreds of millions of computers that are still perfectly usable could stop receiving software and security updates in a few years, making it increasingly risky to continue using them. Sure, some folks might use that as an excuse to upgrade to newer hardware… but the Public Interest Research Group (or PIRG), is calling on Microsoft to extend the support date for Windows 10 so that users aren’t forced to choose between sacrificing security or buy a new PC, effectively turning their existing hardware into eWaste.

Of course, there’s another option: replace Windows 10 on your old PC with an up-to-date operating system. There are plenty of GNU/Linux distributions that will run perfectly well on hardware that doesn’t support Windows 11. But let’s be honest, while some users will certainly see Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, or Debian as a viable alternative (or upgrade) to Windows, most personal and business users aren’t going to go that route.

Here’s a roundup of recent tech news from around the web.

PIRG petitions Microsoft to extend the life of Windows 10 [The Register]

PIRG delivered a petition with 20K signatures to Microsoft, calling on the company to extend the support lifespan of Windows 10, which is currently set to end in 2025. An estimated 400 million computers in the wild are ineligible for Win11 upgrades.

Windows 11 now lets you write anywhere you can type [The Verge]

As promised, Microsoft has begun rolling out a Windows 11 update that lets users with a pen-enabled device use a stylus to write in any field that supports text input by converting handwriting to text.

Intel Ships Meteor Lake CPUs to PC Makers [Tom’s Hardware]

Intel confirms that Meteor Lake chips have been shipping to PC makers for weeks, which means we could see laptops powered by the next-gen processors on or around the Dec 14 launch date.

Intel preparing Raptor Lake-HX Refresh [VideoCardz]

Intel’s 14th-gen Core processor family is divided into Raptor Lake Refresh and Meteor Lake chips. The latter is mobile-only while the former is mostly for desktops. But it looks like there could be at least one Raptor Lake Refresh mobile chip on the way.

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  1. If you are a knowledgable tech person, you can run Windows 10 for at least a few years after end of support. If you want to be even safer and have another supported computer, you can simple remote into that machine for browsing, but if you only visit trusted sites (like youtube or this one) you don’t even need that as long as you have an up-to-date browser (and possibly a security software).
    The real issue is when compatiliby with software ends but software updates for Windows 10 should last for years, just like Windows 7. And even after, tech people can upgrade (or rather downgrade) to Windows 11 or even 12 by then, by bypassing hardware requirements.
    Don’t let you push into buying new harwarde by people saying you should never run an unsupported OS. These people have no clear ideas how malware works nowadays anyway… However non tech people should just spend the money and move to something else… as they can get malware even on supported hardware…

    1. I’m not sure they set the requirements for 8 to be such that a computer couldn’t load 8, like they do with 11.

  2. Another great opportunity for the Linux community. Just like they had with Window 8. So nothing will happen, and most people will continue NOT using Linux because it can’t actually do what most people need.

    1. It can certainly do what most people need as home users. For now. The issue is doing it as easily as Windows or MacOS. Which gets even more compounded in a corporate environment. And the fact that there’s not so much a singular linux community as a bunch of groups who, rather than insisting that everyone do everything a certain way, tried to offer options and then started fighting each other, dragging politics into it, and then the world at large became hostile to certain opinions, and now everyone’s project is hanging by a thread as everything gets more and more hostile to the concept of freedom, leaving them populated by a bunch of developers who, in the name of standing up for what you can’t say isn’t right, will refuse to listen to anything anyone has to say about bugs or feature requests, because anyone complaining about your project is one step away from complaining about the things we can’t let anyone complain about, a fact that everyone knows well from many a flamewar.
      And in the end it’s possible it’s not going to be able to do what people need, because people need to access any website, and if Cloudflare adopts Web Environment Integrity as a cheaper safeguard against automated activity, and decides not to trust Linux distros because developing an acceptable attestor becomes impossible. 2025 is where flipping that switch becomes viable, because supported windows users won’t notice since all their machines have TPMs and the requisite CPUs, mac users already don’t notice, and it’s too easy to think of insults for linux users to care about what they think.
      I genuinely see a future where Windows, MacOS, and ChromeOS look like oppressive police states that at least have buildings in them, and Linux looks like a bunch of smoldering ruins where people do nothing but talk about themselves and shoot any outsiders rather than build something.
      All because shutting down discussion instead of considering dissenting arguments, and disregarding the rights of those who were thought to harbor evil in their souls, had to be normalized. For the greater good.

  3. Don’t think that Microsoft will repeat the WXP situation (8y + 5y), hence having W10 (10y) looks reasonable. Even Linux distros get EOL and have upgrades…

    In my particular case this doesn’t affect me directly. This is being typed from a Chromebook that also has Google support until June-25, plus all my family went through update cycles this year (luckily a local store had buy-back promotions and we got 50% discounts on the renewal).

    In the end people have to realise that a company (or a community) doesn’t have enough resources to maintain multiple products in parallel hence some of them will be discontinued. 10y looks ok for me, much better than Android phones which get way less and for which people don’t complain as much!

    1. Well, yeah, this is why they drop support for older semi annual releases on a regular basis.
      Also keep in mind that the newest CPUs that don’t support windows 11 are 7th gen intel, which got 7 years of support. Meanwhile The oldest hardware that supported windows 10 appeared in circa 2005 and so had 20 years of support.
      This is Microsoft we’re talking about here, they’ve got billions of dollars to throw around buying up every major video game publisher they can get their hands on, as well as do other completely useless things like clog up Bing with often incorrect ChatGPT results in a box on top of the actual results or display ads for software you can’t rely on in the start menu, or funnel data to OpenAI so that machines can do all the thinking for you and everyone else.
      To be fair it seems like every time they drop support for older CPUs so far it’s been due to missing instructions needed for something security related, so maybe they won’t be dropping the oldest 4 years of computers every 4 years like I thought, but life has been able to go on without Virtualization Based Security and Hypervisor Protected Code Integrity. I think Mircrosoft envisions that it’ll just go on cheaper for them and DRM developers.

  4. I’m about to speak blasphemy because of my own values. But I finally decided to try Windows 11 on my gaming laptop. I was tired of a couple of bugs in Debian.

    After I was able to find the right drivers and do some tweaking (like bringing back the right click context menu), I have to say it’s not half bad. Everything works.

    That machine stays offline, so I’m obviously not getting ads. But I would say, they definitely fixed a couple of annoying bugs from Server 2019 (which is basically Win10 LTSC), and I was able to do a full backup of my HDD on bluray, which was really cool.

    I don’t know. My system is Zen 2 so I was able to install it. Everything runs fine.

    My biggest gripes about Microsoft of late, are forcing updates and their useless defender antivirus on us, and telemetry.

    But as an OS, it runs fine on my system, no complaints. I actually feel more bored on that system since I don’t want to tweak or mess with anything to get things to work.

    To be honest, I’m not missing Debian right now. For now, at least.


    As far as potential e-waste from not being able to upgrade to Windows 11 for many people, there is linux. Or better yet, maybe dual boot Windows 10 and Linux, and use just linux to get online with, so you don’t have to have a potentially vulnerable 10 facing the internet.

    But if anyone wants to throw their old computers away, please ecycle it and help the environment.

  5. Every time this has happened before, with all of the big companies – dire warnings of “end of life” of the product – at the last minute they all extend support another few years.

    1. What will kill windows 10 on the machines that don’t support Windows 11 is probably some scheme like Web Environment Integrity, especially if by the time websites start refusing to work for those who don’t want to submit to it, acceptable attestors require things like Virtualization Based Security and Hypervisor Protected Code Integrity that the unsupported machines simply can’t do.