Comments on: The HP slate: Imagine an iPad that plays Flash, runs Windows 7 http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html Compact Computing Sat, 26 May 2012 10:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: bryan http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-45804 bryan Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:44:52 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-45804 I think many people are attributing the tablet/slate innovation to Apple but there have been many iterations over the last decade. I had a Viewsonic wireless touch monitor years ago and loved it - it acted just like a slate PC. <br><br>Ultimately, you want the portability of these primarily so you can sit on your couch and surf, answer email, etc. And for those saying the Window's OS is going to ruin this because it's not designed to be used without a keyboard, just remember that all you need is a shell app to run within Window's that is geared toward touch-screen use. That's all Apple's interface is (a very nice, simplistic one at that). And if you can also put the slate in a cradle and use a keyboard and mouse it offers the functionality of a desktop also. I think HP has a big winner here if the price is competive. I would rather spend a hundred more on a slate than an iPad. The iPad doesn't seem to offer much over my iPod to make it compelling at all. I think many people are attributing the tablet/slate innovation to Apple but there have been many iterations over the last decade. I had a Viewsonic wireless touch monitor years ago and loved it – it acted just like a slate PC.

Ultimately, you want the portability of these primarily so you can sit on your couch and surf, answer email, etc. And for those saying the Window's OS is going to ruin this because it's not designed to be used without a keyboard, just remember that all you need is a shell app to run within Window's that is geared toward touch-screen use. That's all Apple's interface is (a very nice, simplistic one at that). And if you can also put the slate in a cradle and use a keyboard and mouse it offers the functionality of a desktop also. I think HP has a big winner here if the price is competive. I would rather spend a hundred more on a slate than an iPad. The iPad doesn't seem to offer much over my iPod to make it compelling at all.

]]> By: bryan http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-43123 bryan Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:44:52 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-43123 I think many people are attributing the tablet/slate innovation to Apple but there have been many iterations over the last decade. I had a Viewsonic wireless touch monitor years ago and loved it - it acted just like a slate PC. <br><br>Ultimately, you want the portability of these primarily so you can sit on your couch and surf, answer email, etc. And for those saying the Window's OS is going to ruin this because it's not designed to be used without a keyboard, just remember that all you need is a shell app to run within Window's that is geared toward touch-screen use. That's all Apple's interface is (a very nice, simplistic one at that). And if you can also put the slate in a cradle and use a keyboard and mouse it offers the functionality of a desktop also. I think HP has a big winner here if the price is competive. I would rather spend a hundred more on a slate than an iPad. The iPad doesn't seem to offer much over my iPod to make it compelling at all. I think many people are attributing the tablet/slate innovation to Apple but there have been many iterations over the last decade. I had a Viewsonic wireless touch monitor years ago and loved it – it acted just like a slate PC.

Ultimately, you want the portability of these primarily so you can sit on your couch and surf, answer email, etc. And for those saying the Window's OS is going to ruin this because it's not designed to be used without a keyboard, just remember that all you need is a shell app to run within Window's that is geared toward touch-screen use. That's all Apple's interface is (a very nice, simplistic one at that). And if you can also put the slate in a cradle and use a keyboard and mouse it offers the functionality of a desktop also. I think HP has a big winner here if the price is competive. I would rather spend a hundred more on a slate than an iPad. The iPad doesn't seem to offer much over my iPod to make it compelling at all.

]]> By: HP Slate with Flash and Windows | Laptops Today http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42882 HP Slate with Flash and Windows | Laptops Today Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:16:42 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42882 [...] Source [Liliputing] [...] [...] Source [Liliputing] [...]

]]> By: mlabrow http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42870 mlabrow Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:31:11 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42870 Umm, yeah. Unless HP is spending MILLIONS of dollars in software development to make Windows 7 more touch friendly...<br><br>While it's brining Andorid devices to market...<br><br>Keeping in mind it's a hardware not software company... Umm, yeah. Unless HP is spending MILLIONS of dollars in software development to make Windows 7 more touch friendly…

While it's brining Andorid devices to market…

Keeping in mind it's a hardware not software company…

]]> By: mlabrow http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42871 mlabrow Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:27:36 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42871 I'd love to see a new interface paradigm replace keyboard/mouse. I'd love to see touch and voice (for example) supplant, or at least compliment it. I think that slate tablets have a better chance of bringing that about than any other computing devices, simply because they force it. But, I don't think personally that Windows 7 is there yet with the support for either feature. The real kicker for me is that because this brings over a 20+ year legacy of applications with it, there isn't going to actually BE a lot of software for it which IS optimized for the touch interface... Most of the software will still be written for the desktop keyboard mouse paradigm, because that's where the majority of users are, which actually works AGAINST a device like this. At the end of the day putting a Desktop OS on a touch device actually ends up handicapping it more than you think, simply because there's very little incentive to create new applications that work with the device instead of against it. I mean after all, would you rather spend the time writing a new touch application for Windows where people MIGHT use the functionality, or for the iPhone or Andriod where they DEFINITELY WILL? What's the better use of your time as a developer? Ultimately, that's what's going to kill devices like these, users will WISH they had an App store to purchase from... That and the cost. <br><br>This device will NOT cost $200 dollars. Look at the devices entering the market in that price range. They all have ARM processors, and essentially FREE OS's. Right off the top with this device you have to have Windows 7 Premium to get the touch features, which even with a volume license costs $70. That cost has to passed on, on top of the hardware, and the only thing cheaper on this device, that you're saving on compared to a netbook is a relatively inexpensive keyboard and hinge. I don't see any way a useful device like this comes to market for LESS than a low end netbook. Based on the price of comparable clam-shell style tablets which actually have touch screens, you're looking more in the $500-$600 dollar range, and at that price it's going directly against the iPad, at several hundred dollars more than Android+ARM devices.<br><br>Tell me. Given the market environment, and the overall use of the device when it first comes to market (other than flash player, which Android devices WILL have by the time it hits). How is this tablet going to compete? How is it going to get the market share that will drive support commercial application development for it, and further touch screen Windows penetration into this device space?<br><br>I honestly want to know what people really think. Not just comments from trolls, because I'm writing a thesis on this exact topic. I'd love to see a new interface paradigm replace keyboard/mouse. I'd love to see touch and voice (for example) supplant, or at least compliment it. I think that slate tablets have a better chance of bringing that about than any other computing devices, simply because they force it. But, I don't think personally that Windows 7 is there yet with the support for either feature. The real kicker for me is that because this brings over a 20+ year legacy of applications with it, there isn't going to actually BE a lot of software for it which IS optimized for the touch interface… Most of the software will still be written for the desktop keyboard mouse paradigm, because that's where the majority of users are, which actually works AGAINST a device like this. At the end of the day putting a Desktop OS on a touch device actually ends up handicapping it more than you think, simply because there's very little incentive to create new applications that work with the device instead of against it. I mean after all, would you rather spend the time writing a new touch application for Windows where people MIGHT use the functionality, or for the iPhone or Andriod where they DEFINITELY WILL? What's the better use of your time as a developer? Ultimately, that's what's going to kill devices like these, users will WISH they had an App store to purchase from… That and the cost.

This device will NOT cost $200 dollars. Look at the devices entering the market in that price range. They all have ARM processors, and essentially FREE OS's. Right off the top with this device you have to have Windows 7 Premium to get the touch features, which even with a volume license costs $70. That cost has to passed on, on top of the hardware, and the only thing cheaper on this device, that you're saving on compared to a netbook is a relatively inexpensive keyboard and hinge. I don't see any way a useful device like this comes to market for LESS than a low end netbook. Based on the price of comparable clam-shell style tablets which actually have touch screens, you're looking more in the $500-$600 dollar range, and at that price it's going directly against the iPad, at several hundred dollars more than Android+ARM devices.

Tell me. Given the market environment, and the overall use of the device when it first comes to market (other than flash player, which Android devices WILL have by the time it hits). How is this tablet going to compete? How is it going to get the market share that will drive support commercial application development for it, and further touch screen Windows penetration into this device space?

I honestly want to know what people really think. Not just comments from trolls, because I'm writing a thesis on this exact topic.

]]> By: williamiPad http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42853 williamiPad Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:49:55 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42853 I like how the Adobe logo is shown with the HP logo -- provides a nice jab at Apple. I can't see a tablet using Windows 7, hey even Microsoft is using Windows CE 6. bookmarked I like how the Adobe logo is shown with the HP logo — provides a nice jab at Apple. I can't see a tablet using Windows 7, hey even Microsoft is using Windows CE 6. bookmarked

]]> By: mlabrow http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42855 mlabrow Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:47:48 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42855 I swear it's like there's this whole, anti-Apple Troll syndicate that badmouths posters seemingly at random. <br><br>I've been seeing this all over a number of tech sites. Comments from a-typical people who appear to be doing google searches, making troll comments, that don't relate to the post or the comment... It kind of reminds me of the red scare, with how far they'll stretch to call someone an Apple Fan...<br><br>Either there are some bored teenagers out there, or there's some form of gorilla advertising agency that's trying to run some form of anti-iPad campaign or something. <br><br>It's not like you were saying the iPad is GOOD or anything, you just said in effect that this product is WORSE... And for that you're called a Fan boy? <br><br>I mean come on, the poser didn't even use the semi-pro teenage troll epitaph: Fan Boi.<br><br>Hmm.<br><br>Oh well. Just a thought. I swear it's like there's this whole, anti-Apple Troll syndicate that badmouths posters seemingly at random.

I've been seeing this all over a number of tech sites. Comments from a-typical people who appear to be doing google searches, making troll comments, that don't relate to the post or the comment… It kind of reminds me of the red scare, with how far they'll stretch to call someone an Apple Fan…

Either there are some bored teenagers out there, or there's some form of gorilla advertising agency that's trying to run some form of anti-iPad campaign or something.

It's not like you were saying the iPad is GOOD or anything, you just said in effect that this product is WORSE… And for that you're called a Fan boy?

I mean come on, the poser didn't even use the semi-pro teenage troll epitaph: Fan Boi.

Hmm.

Oh well. Just a thought.

]]> By: Mikez http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42854 Mikez Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:29:57 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42854 ????<br>I have never owned an Apple product in my 50+ years of computer related work.<br>????<br>But if you have been following HP in the NetBook section of the industry,<br>you have noticed that there "market life time" runs about 10 months before<br>they release a "newer and better".<br>Where in contrast, Apple Computer does not follow that sort of policy. ????
I have never owned an Apple product in my 50+ years of computer related work.
????
But if you have been following HP in the NetBook section of the industry,
you have noticed that there “market life time” runs about 10 months before
they release a “newer and better”.
Where in contrast, Apple Computer does not follow that sort of policy.

]]> By: sracer http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42857 sracer Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:11:29 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42857 What devices in the netbook form factor were available in 2001? The closest thing that I can think of was the Toshiba Libretto, which while not gaining traction with the mainstream did have a very loyal following. What devices in the netbook form factor were available in 2001? The closest thing that I can think of was the Toshiba Libretto, which while not gaining traction with the mainstream did have a very loyal following.

]]> By: MonkeyKing1969 http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42856 MonkeyKing1969 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:02:33 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42856 Same reason why netbooks are interesting now when nearly the same form factor didn't work in 2001. Everything needs to cook a little before form factor, features, and price mesh. Same reason why netbooks are interesting now when nearly the same form factor didn't work in 2001. Everything needs to cook a little before form factor, features, and price mesh.

]]> By: BigGoofyGuy http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42807 BigGoofyGuy Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:19:50 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42807 Perhaps Microsoft should realize that Windows isn't a 'one size fits all' for computers. There are other operating systems that seem to fit the tablet needs better. <br><br>I think this tablet will sell well if the price is low enough. Low price is one of the reasons netbooks are doing well; IMO. Why have a stand alone tablet when one pays less for a netbook that one can swivel the screen into a tablet pc? IMO. Perhaps Microsoft should realize that Windows isn't a 'one size fits all' for computers. There are other operating systems that seem to fit the tablet needs better.

I think this tablet will sell well if the price is low enough. Low price is one of the reasons netbooks are doing well; IMO. Why have a stand alone tablet when one pays less for a netbook that one can swivel the screen into a tablet pc? IMO.

]]> By: AS147 http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42805 AS147 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:06:00 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42805 Tablet smablet. For me an ideal device is not a large Ipod or a keyboardless W7 device. Its a netbook tablet. Thin, light, powertful enough to do the stuff I need (all computer, ebook reading web surfing with and without flash). Use the keyboard when I want to do more than brief typing but fold it out of the way and use the touchscreen when I need that. Long battery life and it won't snap in half in my bag. JUST HOW MANY DEVICES do they think we need to pay them for.<br><br>PDA, Laptop, Desktop, Netbook, Tablet give it a rest!!! What next ??<br>Apart from PDA's the tablet netbook of 11" meets all the above standard holiday and office needs. <br>P.S. My PDA is now a 4.3" screened 1ghz screaming F1 of a PDA. I think the lines have blurred sufficiently. Tablet smablet. For me an ideal device is not a large Ipod or a keyboardless W7 device. Its a netbook tablet. Thin, light, powertful enough to do the stuff I need (all computer, ebook reading web surfing with and without flash). Use the keyboard when I want to do more than brief typing but fold it out of the way and use the touchscreen when I need that. Long battery life and it won't snap in half in my bag. JUST HOW MANY DEVICES do they think we need to pay them for.

PDA, Laptop, Desktop, Netbook, Tablet give it a rest!!! What next ??
Apart from PDA's the tablet netbook of 11″ meets all the above standard holiday and office needs.
P.S. My PDA is now a 4.3″ screened 1ghz screaming F1 of a PDA. I think the lines have blurred sufficiently.

]]> By: HP Slate with Flash and Windows http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42799 HP Slate with Flash and Windows Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:01:24 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42799 [...] Source [Liliputing] [...] [...] Source [Liliputing] [...]

]]> By: Erlik http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42789 Erlik Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:24:02 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42789 Unfortunately I think that this will either be too heavy (more than 1.5 lbs, which IMHO is the maximum for a tablet) or have dismal battery life. It will probably be very expensive too, more in the $400 or $500 range.<br><br>The iPad clearly sucks, but this sucks more. Unfortunately I think that this will either be too heavy (more than 1.5 lbs, which IMHO is the maximum for a tablet) or have dismal battery life. It will probably be very expensive too, more in the $400 or $500 range.

The iPad clearly sucks, but this sucks more.

]]> By: pc rules http://liliputing.com/2010/03/the-hp-slate-imagine-an-ipad-that-plays-flash-runs-windows-7.html#comment-42783 pc rules Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:01:22 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=19746#comment-42783 <Its plays flash! Whoot!<br>Big deal.<br>I have to agree with others here, this device should be gone in a flash -<br>No ten month product market life time for this device.<br>Anybody want to bet the hPad gets discontinued before the iPad?><br><br>spoken like a true apple fan boy <Its plays flash! Whoot!
Big deal.
I have to agree with others here, this device should be gone in a flash -
No ten month product market life time for this device.
Anybody want to bet the hPad gets discontinued before the iPad?>

spoken like a true apple fan boy

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