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		<title>By: Mikez</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/09/forget-instant-on-operating-systems-what-about-instant-on-bios-files.html#comment-47554</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;except in embedded devices&quot; ???&lt;br&gt;That is the definition of an embedded device - OS in ROM.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I get the point, just ship the devices with a larger Flash ROM chip;&lt;br&gt;Large enough for the end-user or reseller to flash the OS of choice into it.&lt;br&gt;The ROM devices exist today, they just aren&#039;t being soldered onto the m.b.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why?  Because of slow device read speeds.  But you might be able to do&lt;br&gt;this in twice your goal (5 to 6 seconds).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To get a better feel for this, check out: &lt;a href=&quot;https://openwrt.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;openWRT.org&lt;/a&gt; -&lt;br&gt;Which started out life as a project to put a full OS on appliance devices.&lt;br&gt;(At least ones with enough Flash and RAM included on them.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note that we have already seen mentioned here NetBooks that are shipping&lt;br&gt;with systems based on Kamikaze 8.x&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So there are systems now that are close (closer for the hacker) to your vision.&lt;br&gt;If Gdium would change that USB key slot to CF card. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;except in embedded devices&#8221; ???<br />That is the definition of an embedded device &#8211; OS in ROM.</p>
<p>But I get the point, just ship the devices with a larger Flash ROM chip;<br />Large enough for the end-user or reseller to flash the OS of choice into it.<br />The ROM devices exist today, they just aren&#39;t being soldered onto the m.b.</p>
<p>Why?  Because of slow device read speeds.  But you might be able to do<br />this in twice your goal (5 to 6 seconds).</p>
<p>To get a better feel for this, check out: <a href="https://openwrt.org/" rel="nofollow">openWRT.org</a> -<br />Which started out life as a project to put a full OS on appliance devices.<br />(At least ones with enough Flash and RAM included on them.)</p>
<p>Note that we have already seen mentioned here NetBooks that are shipping<br />with systems based on Kamikaze 8.x</p>
<p>So there are systems now that are close (closer for the hacker) to your vision.<br />If Gdium would change that USB key slot to CF card. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Mikez</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/09/forget-instant-on-operating-systems-what-about-instant-on-bios-files.html#comment-28791</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;except in embedded devices&quot; ???&lt;br&gt;That is the definition of an embedded device - OS in ROM.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I get the point, just ship the devices with a larger Flash ROM chip;&lt;br&gt;Large enough for the end-user or reseller to flash the OS of choice into it.&lt;br&gt;The ROM devices exist today, they just aren&#039;t being soldered onto the m.b.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why?  Because of slow device read speeds.  But you might be able to do&lt;br&gt;this in twice your goal (5 to 6 seconds).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To get a better feel for this, check out: &lt;a href=&quot;https://openwrt.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;openWRT.org&lt;/a&gt; -&lt;br&gt;Which started out life as a project to put a full OS on appliance devices.&lt;br&gt;(At least ones with enough Flash and RAM included on them.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note that we have already seen mentioned here NetBooks that are shipping&lt;br&gt;with systems based on Kamikaze 8.x&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So there are systems now that are close (closer for the hacker) to your vision.&lt;br&gt;If Gdium would change that USB key slot to CF card. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;except in embedded devices&#8221; ???<br />That is the definition of an embedded device &#8211; OS in ROM.</p>
<p>But I get the point, just ship the devices with a larger Flash ROM chip;<br />Large enough for the end-user or reseller to flash the OS of choice into it.<br />The ROM devices exist today, they just aren&#39;t being soldered onto the m.b.</p>
<p>Why?  Because of slow device read speeds.  But you might be able to do<br />this in twice your goal (5 to 6 seconds).</p>
<p>To get a better feel for this, check out: <a href="https://openwrt.org/" rel="nofollow">openWRT.org</a> -<br />Which started out life as a project to put a full OS on appliance devices.<br />(At least ones with enough Flash and RAM included on them.)</p>
<p>Note that we have already seen mentioned here NetBooks that are shipping<br />with systems based on Kamikaze 8.x</p>
<p>So there are systems now that are close (closer for the hacker) to your vision.<br />If Gdium would change that USB key slot to CF card. . .</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/09/forget-instant-on-operating-systems-what-about-instant-on-bios-files.html#comment-28785</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough... but why stop there...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What about OS in rom (ok so CE and even older RISC OS) used to do this... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Has a lot of advantages (lower boot time, resistance to virus taking out the OS etc. etc.) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ROM is cheap these days so why havn&#039;t we seen things move to this setup except in embeded devices.  Add a quick booting Bios specifically designed for OS in ROM and the OS it&#039;self and I am willing to bet we could have full OS booting to desktop in 2 or 3 seconds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough&#8230; but why stop there&#8230;</p>
<p>What about OS in rom (ok so CE and even older RISC OS) used to do this&#8230; </p>
<p>Has a lot of advantages (lower boot time, resistance to virus taking out the OS etc. etc.) </p>
<p>ROM is cheap these days so why havn&#39;t we seen things move to this setup except in embeded devices.  Add a quick booting Bios specifically designed for OS in ROM and the OS it&#39;self and I am willing to bet we could have full OS booting to desktop in 2 or 3 seconds.</p>
<p>John</p>
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