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		<title>By: Google has its own plan for Netbooks &#124; 云生活</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google has its own plan for Netbooks &#124; 云生活</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people i have a key code to window 7 unimate for free if u want it tell me but u must have window 7 starter and window anytime upgrade ok tell me if u want it and u must facebook or msn to talk to me ok</description>
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		<title>By: Google has its own plan for Netbooks &#124; Mass Media News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google has its own plan for Netbooks &#124; Mass Media News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Windows 7 Starter Edition will cost more than XP &#124; iSawNEWS.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windows 7 Starter Edition will cost more than XP &#124; iSawNEWS.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Have Laptop Will Travel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Windows 7 Starter Edition will cost more than XP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Have Laptop Will Travel &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Windows 7 Starter Edition will cost more than XP</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Windows XP bleibt, und zwar billiger als 7 &#171; 11tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windows XP bleibt, und zwar billiger als 7 &#171; 11tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Details About Microsoft Windows 7 Starter Edition Restrictions &#38; Pricing for Netbooks &#124; Laptops and Notebook's Issues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Details About Microsoft Windows 7 Starter Edition Restrictions &#38; Pricing for Netbooks &#124; Laptops and Notebook's Issues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Windows 7 Starter bleibt teurer als XP &#124; TechFieber &#124; Hot Gadget Blog. Smart Tech News.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windows 7 Starter bleibt teurer als XP &#124; TechFieber &#124; Hot Gadget Blog. Smart Tech News.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wanorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most netbooks are mass marketed. Mass marketers hate extra SKUs, because they cause stock problems and confuse the customer over which to pick. The exceptions are (1) pure preference, like making an item available in multiple colors, and (2) price tiering: give people an option between cheaper-and-worse and pricier-and-better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An OS isn&#039;t a pure preference case like picking a color, because it has a real impact on how you use your computer. And it isn&#039;t a price tiering case, because the differences between OSes are confusing and nebulous to consumers, unlike the difference between a 160 GB HDD and a 320 GB HDD, which is clear cut.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The third exception, of course, is brand diversity -- I can buy Tide, or Cheer, or All (detergent brands in the US), or some other discount brand based on what I like. This is where Linux could potentially fit in. The reason it doesn&#039;t right now, is that people see the brands as HP, Dell, Toshiba, Apple, etc. People buy OS X because they&#039;re really buying an Apple computer, and they know who Apple is and trust them. Adding a second layer of choice -- manufacturer, then OS -- is confusing, so retailers don&#039;t like it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another analogy: consider if you were buying a car, let&#039;s say a Honda Civic. If the Civic comes with two engines and one is better and pricier than the other, no problem, right? You either get the cheaper one or the better one. But suppose they have two different engines that are the same price. They&#039;re pretty similar, but one has a little better torque and better gas mileage, while the other one has better horsepower and is known to be somewhat more reliable. That&#039;s confusing as hell, isn&#039;t it? Which do you pick? In fact, it&#039;s so confusing that many people might end up buying a Toyota instead, just to avoid making that choice. That&#039;s why no car manufacturer in their right mind will give you that choice. Forcing most people to choose between OSes directly gives them that kind of choice, because they don&#039;t understand the differences and they don&#039;t understand which is clearly better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The flipside to mass marketers is that in indie shops -- your example -- this is a great idea, and more shops should do this. Indies can afford to educate the consumer and to sell things tailored to niche enthusiast markets (i.e. people who actually understand computers). Dell is another great use case -- their whole business model has traditionally been about empowering customers to make decisions about their custom-built systems, so choice of operating system feels right at home, and they supposedly do pretty well with Linux systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most netbooks are mass marketed. Mass marketers hate extra SKUs, because they cause stock problems and confuse the customer over which to pick. The exceptions are (1) pure preference, like making an item available in multiple colors, and (2) price tiering: give people an option between cheaper-and-worse and pricier-and-better.</p>
<p>An OS isn&#39;t a pure preference case like picking a color, because it has a real impact on how you use your computer. And it isn&#39;t a price tiering case, because the differences between OSes are confusing and nebulous to consumers, unlike the difference between a 160 GB HDD and a 320 GB HDD, which is clear cut.</p>
<p>The third exception, of course, is brand diversity &#8212; I can buy Tide, or Cheer, or All (detergent brands in the US), or some other discount brand based on what I like. This is where Linux could potentially fit in. The reason it doesn&#39;t right now, is that people see the brands as HP, Dell, Toshiba, Apple, etc. People buy OS X because they&#39;re really buying an Apple computer, and they know who Apple is and trust them. Adding a second layer of choice &#8212; manufacturer, then OS &#8212; is confusing, so retailers don&#39;t like it.</p>
<p>Another analogy: consider if you were buying a car, let&#39;s say a Honda Civic. If the Civic comes with two engines and one is better and pricier than the other, no problem, right? You either get the cheaper one or the better one. But suppose they have two different engines that are the same price. They&#39;re pretty similar, but one has a little better torque and better gas mileage, while the other one has better horsepower and is known to be somewhat more reliable. That&#39;s confusing as hell, isn&#39;t it? Which do you pick? In fact, it&#39;s so confusing that many people might end up buying a Toyota instead, just to avoid making that choice. That&#39;s why no car manufacturer in their right mind will give you that choice. Forcing most people to choose between OSes directly gives them that kind of choice, because they don&#39;t understand the differences and they don&#39;t understand which is clearly better.</p>
<p>The flipside to mass marketers is that in indie shops &#8212; your example &#8212; this is a great idea, and more shops should do this. Indies can afford to educate the consumer and to sell things tailored to niche enthusiast markets (i.e. people who actually understand computers). Dell is another great use case &#8212; their whole business model has traditionally been about empowering customers to make decisions about their custom-built systems, so choice of operating system feels right at home, and they supposedly do pretty well with Linux systems.</p>
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		<title>By: wanorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manufacturers and retailers are pragmatists. Substitute &quot;more valuable to consumers&quot; for &quot;better.&quot; Will consumers pay $30-50 more for systems with 7 Starter than for systems with XP? All TBD.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, consumers flocked in droves to paying extra (or having weaker configurations) for XP relative to Linux, so it&#039;s dangerous to assume that people will pick the cheaper (and possibly better) option when given the chance to pick a name brand they&#039;re comfortable with.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The real question: will Win 7 become a name brand consumers will flock to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manufacturers and retailers are pragmatists. Substitute &#8220;more valuable to consumers&#8221; for &#8220;better.&#8221; Will consumers pay $30-50 more for systems with 7 Starter than for systems with XP? All TBD.</p>
<p>However, consumers flocked in droves to paying extra (or having weaker configurations) for XP relative to Linux, so it&#39;s dangerous to assume that people will pick the cheaper (and possibly better) option when given the chance to pick a name brand they&#39;re comfortable with.</p>
<p>The real question: will Win 7 become a name brand consumers will flock to?</p>
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		<title>By: eduardomontez</title>
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		<dc:creator>eduardomontez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word is that Starter Edition will cost OEM&#039;s $45-$55, and Home Premium $85.  Now we hear XP will be less that $15.  Does anyone really believe SE is more than three times better than XP? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And what about Windows CE for ARM, it is a much worse os than even XP and so what is it going to sell for, $5?  And would you say that CE is better than a good Linux distribution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word is that Starter Edition will cost OEM&#39;s $45-$55, and Home Premium $85.  Now we hear XP will be less that $15.  Does anyone really believe SE is more than three times better than XP? </p>
<p>And what about Windows CE for ARM, it is a much worse os than even XP and so what is it going to sell for, $5?  And would you say that CE is better than a good Linux distribution?</p>
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		<title>By: Details About Microsoft Windows 7 Starter Restrictions &#38; Pricing for Netbooks &#124; NetbookBoards.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Details About Microsoft Windows 7 Starter Restrictions &#38; Pricing for Netbooks &#124; NetbookBoards.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: wanorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>wanorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also worth remembering that lightweight Linux distros like DSL use the 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6 to keep the resource requirements down, because the newer kernel is bigger, and doesn&#039;t run well on older machines. And the original Linux kernel back in the early 90s ran fine on 386s and 486s, whereas the current one certainly wouldn&#039;t. For that matter, if you compared the memory and processor usage of Firefox 3.5 to 1.0, you would see a significant difference.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not just Microsoft, and it&#039;s not just bad coding -- when you add features to software, you add resource consumption. It&#039;s really that simple.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ever-increasing base performance of hardware enables developers to add new features to software, which, in turn, feeds demand for better hardware.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, even counting all that, Microsoft&#039;s software tends to run heavier than Linux and other open source software, but the principle is basically the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s also worth remembering that lightweight Linux distros like DSL use the 2.4 kernel instead of 2.6 to keep the resource requirements down, because the newer kernel is bigger, and doesn&#39;t run well on older machines. And the original Linux kernel back in the early 90s ran fine on 386s and 486s, whereas the current one certainly wouldn&#39;t. For that matter, if you compared the memory and processor usage of Firefox 3.5 to 1.0, you would see a significant difference.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not just Microsoft, and it&#39;s not just bad coding &#8212; when you add features to software, you add resource consumption. It&#39;s really that simple.</p>
<p>The ever-increasing base performance of hardware enables developers to add new features to software, which, in turn, feeds demand for better hardware.</p>
<p>Of course, even counting all that, Microsoft&#39;s software tends to run heavier than Linux and other open source software, but the principle is basically the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check HP&#039;s order page for the HP-5101 - -&lt;br&gt;You can get either FreeDos or Nothing at all.&lt;br&gt;Of course, that is a &quot;Business&quot; machine, and a&lt;br&gt;&quot;Business&quot; is expected to have an IT department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check HP&#39;s order page for the HP-5101 &#8211; -<br />You can get either FreeDos or Nothing at all.<br />Of course, that is a &#8220;Business&#8221; machine, and a<br />&#8220;Business&#8221; is expected to have an IT department.</p>
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		<title>By: maggsc</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so $15 isn&#039;t a great deal but it&#039;s still paying for something you don&#039;t want. Would you pay $15 extra for a MP3 player with some albums you wouldn&#039;t buy and then just bin them? What if DVD players could only be purchased with some films &quot;installed&quot; that you&#039;d never watch but had to pay for the pleasure of not watching?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, most users would be baffled by a laptop or PC with no OS but what is wrong with offering a choice? For an extra payment Windows, Linux, BSD or whatever you want can be supplied/installed or you could just buy the hardware on it&#039;s own. I&#039;ve seen this happen in smaller independent PC shops so what is stopping PC World and the like doing the same?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m UK based and would like to know what offerings are available in other countries as here it&#039;s pretty much Windows or nothing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so $15 isn&#39;t a great deal but it&#39;s still paying for something you don&#39;t want. Would you pay $15 extra for a MP3 player with some albums you wouldn&#39;t buy and then just bin them? What if DVD players could only be purchased with some films &#8220;installed&#8221; that you&#39;d never watch but had to pay for the pleasure of not watching?</p>
<p>Yes, most users would be baffled by a laptop or PC with no OS but what is wrong with offering a choice? For an extra payment Windows, Linux, BSD or whatever you want can be supplied/installed or you could just buy the hardware on it&#39;s own. I&#39;ve seen this happen in smaller independent PC shops so what is stopping PC World and the like doing the same?</p>
<p>I&#39;m UK based and would like to know what offerings are available in other countries as here it&#39;s pretty much Windows or nothing.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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