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	<title>Comments on: Negroponte: Sugar OS was OLPC&#8217;s biggest mistake</title>
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		<title>By: Someon</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-71495</link>
		<dc:creator>Someon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A huge glaring part of the problem is the people whose kids OLPC is trying to help.  India has nuclear weapons and modern cities.  Why does an outside group need to try to give their children laptops?  Many of the &quot;have-nots&quot; in India are kept that way by the  repressive backwardness of Hinduism and its caste system- 300+Million people who are treated like lesser animals.  The Indian government is usually too busy screwing over poor farmers when they want the land the people live on- why worry about education when kickbacks are the real priority.   Their snotty attitude about OLPC is not surprising.  Same with most of Africa.  If the people are too busy fighting over who will get to rape everybody else, there is little concern about education.  As for other mistakes, I think it is a mistake to claim OLPC started the netbook trend.  The technologies allowing ever higher computing power with more efficient use of energy and increasing miniaturization were not thought up by the OLPC bunch.  Look at the visionary pad/laptop ideas from Xerox PARC in the 70&#039;s... the technology has been moving that way ever since.  OLPC has spent too much time perfecting/ customizing when computer history shows standardization and increasingly open standards are the way to go.   OLPC should attach itself to a growing Linux  distribution like Ubuntu- not perfect but growing all the time.  They could encourage rugged cheap new hardware, while running on standard and older hardware as well.  They could work on their own additions to edubuntu, or their own educational variant to get their dream educational desktop.   This way all of the work out there would add to the project, rather than requiring the &quot;forge your own&quot; path through the jungle, and tying everything to overly specific hardware.   OLPC is very ambitious, and mistakes aside no one can deny the difficulty nor the good intentions of their goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A huge glaring part of the problem is the people whose kids OLPC is trying to help.  India has nuclear weapons and modern cities.  Why does an outside group need to try to give their children laptops?  Many of the &#8220;have-nots&#8221; in India are kept that way by the  repressive backwardness of Hinduism and its caste system- 300+Million people who are treated like lesser animals.  The Indian government is usually too busy screwing over poor farmers when they want the land the people live on- why worry about education when kickbacks are the real priority.   Their snotty attitude about OLPC is not surprising.  Same with most of Africa.  If the people are too busy fighting over who will get to rape everybody else, there is little concern about education.  As for other mistakes, I think it is a mistake to claim OLPC started the netbook trend.  The technologies allowing ever higher computing power with more efficient use of energy and increasing miniaturization were not thought up by the OLPC bunch.  Look at the visionary pad/laptop ideas from Xerox PARC in the 70&#8242;s&#8230; the technology has been moving that way ever since.  OLPC has spent too much time perfecting/ customizing when computer history shows standardization and increasingly open standards are the way to go.   OLPC should attach itself to a growing Linux  distribution like Ubuntu- not perfect but growing all the time.  They could encourage rugged cheap new hardware, while running on standard and older hardware as well.  They could work on their own additions to edubuntu, or their own educational variant to get their dream educational desktop.   This way all of the work out there would add to the project, rather than requiring the &#8220;forge your own&#8221; path through the jungle, and tying everything to overly specific hardware.   OLPC is very ambitious, and mistakes aside no one can deny the difficulty nor the good intentions of their goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Brotherred</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-58065</link>
		<dc:creator>Brotherred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do I think? I think the whole thing fell apart because OLPC suffered brain drain when the OLPC board caved in to Microsoft pressure or other parties wanting to be more &quot;pragmatic&quot;. That pragmatism did not work out when the free thinkers were driven away. Driven away to continue their independent passions that OLPC helped inspire. What do I think? I think you can not talk about a Open Source laptop with XP installed on it. With the inclusion of Microsoft products the information is closed down. The obviousness here is sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I think? I think the whole thing fell apart because OLPC suffered brain drain when the OLPC board caved in to Microsoft pressure or other parties wanting to be more &#8220;pragmatic&#8221;. That pragmatism did not work out when the free thinkers were driven away. Driven away to continue their independent passions that OLPC helped inspire. What do I think? I think you can not talk about a Open Source laptop with XP installed on it. With the inclusion of Microsoft products the information is closed down. The obviousness here is sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: fduch</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-47290</link>
		<dc:creator>fduch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive.&lt;br&gt;Yeah. $5 sure is expensive&lt;br&gt;&gt;Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children,&lt;br&gt;Of course MS wanted to be involved. But they weren&#039;t let to participate. &lt;br&gt;Know you facts, fanboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive.<br />Yeah. $5 sure is expensive<br />&gt;Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children,<br />Of course MS wanted to be involved. But they weren&#39;t let to participate. <br />Know you facts, fanboy.</p>
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		<title>By: fduch</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-45056</link>
		<dc:creator>fduch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive.&lt;br&gt;Yeah. $5 sure is expensive&lt;br&gt;&gt;Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children,&lt;br&gt;Of course MS wanted to be involved. But they weren&#039;t let to participate. &lt;br&gt;Know you facts, fanboy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive.<br />Yeah. $5 sure is expensive<br />&gt;Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children,<br />Of course MS wanted to be involved. But they weren&#39;t let to participate. <br />Know you facts, fanboy.</p>
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		<title>By: Yaffa S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yaffa S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I submit that he did everything correctly (minus the things that HE FEELS were mistakes).  The only thing that I FEEL was a mistake was underestimating the hostility that would come from the big boys in the commercial end of the market with regard to such a generous and noble effort.  Also, it is VERY unfortunate that so few people in the United States have ever even heard of the XO laptop, the Sugar Interface, or this particular humanitarian effort.  I don&#039;t know a single person that has ever even heard of it!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since OLPC is not really a capitalistic endeavor in commerce, then advertising funds that would have helped saturate the market with commercial ads to announce the public service, are/were probably lacking (or totally unavailable).  It was definitely NOT a complete failure, because, after all, SOME children DID actually get a laptop.  Furthermore, as a Mac user, I see no reason why everyone feels that it HAD TO BE a Windows based unit.  Contrary to the, &quot;Windows is ALL there is&quot; belief, there IS room on this Earth for alternatives and variety!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If it WERE Windows, then it could NOT have been cheap, or free.  It was the thought that counts.  For all we know, he may well have approached Windows and been laughed out the door, or totally shot down.  Beyond criticizing the man, what the heck have all the critics done to make this world a better place?  Huh?  All you critics, if you don&#039;t like what he did, or how he did it, then come out and do something better!  You know what they say.  Put up, or SHUT UP!  At least HE put up.  What have YOU done lately?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Either way, it is still a magnificently heartfelt and marvelously brilliant idea (not to mention a very cute CHILD&#039;S, laptop).  A brand new XO laptop is better than NONE AT ALL!  I wish Nicholas Negroponte all the luck, success, and support in the world.  He can always go back to the drawing board, or another humanitarian can either join him in his efforts, or pick up the torch where he left off.  He certainly has my vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I submit that he did everything correctly (minus the things that HE FEELS were mistakes).  The only thing that I FEEL was a mistake was underestimating the hostility that would come from the big boys in the commercial end of the market with regard to such a generous and noble effort.  Also, it is VERY unfortunate that so few people in the United States have ever even heard of the XO laptop, the Sugar Interface, or this particular humanitarian effort.  I don&#39;t know a single person that has ever even heard of it!</p>
<p>Since OLPC is not really a capitalistic endeavor in commerce, then advertising funds that would have helped saturate the market with commercial ads to announce the public service, are/were probably lacking (or totally unavailable).  It was definitely NOT a complete failure, because, after all, SOME children DID actually get a laptop.  Furthermore, as a Mac user, I see no reason why everyone feels that it HAD TO BE a Windows based unit.  Contrary to the, &#8220;Windows is ALL there is&#8221; belief, there IS room on this Earth for alternatives and variety!  </p>
<p>If it WERE Windows, then it could NOT have been cheap, or free.  It was the thought that counts.  For all we know, he may well have approached Windows and been laughed out the door, or totally shot down.  Beyond criticizing the man, what the heck have all the critics done to make this world a better place?  Huh?  All you critics, if you don&#39;t like what he did, or how he did it, then come out and do something better!  You know what they say.  Put up, or SHUT UP!  At least HE put up.  What have YOU done lately?</p>
<p>Either way, it is still a magnificently heartfelt and marvelously brilliant idea (not to mention a very cute CHILD&#39;S, laptop).  A brand new XO laptop is better than NONE AT ALL!  I wish Nicholas Negroponte all the luck, success, and support in the world.  He can always go back to the drawing board, or another humanitarian can either join him in his efforts, or pick up the torch where he left off.  He certainly has my vote!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-31935</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but the Eee701 is far more expensive, does not have the low power consumption and daylight screen does it? In remote areas, where budgets are small these things are very important and we shouldn&#039;t just be thinkng about personal experiences to draw conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but the Eee701 is far more expensive, does not have the low power consumption and daylight screen does it? In remote areas, where budgets are small these things are very important and we shouldn&#39;t just be thinkng about personal experiences to draw conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: eruaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>eruaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think OLPC&#039;s biggest problem was Negroponte himself.</description>
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		<title>By: eruaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>eruaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sugarlabs is winning awards and enjoying great success now that its not part of the OLPC project. This is educational software for children. It seems you don&#039;t understand anything about educational software.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You assertion that, &quot;Linux, in the hands of consumers, is a complete failure&quot; is completely false. A growing number of our customers are using Linux and we are now getting calls from across the state for pre-installed Linux systems.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You don&#039;t sound like a Linux user to me, you sound like a shill, and shills regularly like to inject the token &quot;I&#039;m a Linux user&quot; or &quot;I love Linux&quot; comment in a pathetic attempt to make their shilling less obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugarlabs is winning awards and enjoying great success now that its not part of the OLPC project. This is educational software for children. It seems you don&#39;t understand anything about educational software.</p>
<p>You assertion that, &#8220;Linux, in the hands of consumers, is a complete failure&#8221; is completely false. A growing number of our customers are using Linux and we are now getting calls from across the state for pre-installed Linux systems.</p>
<p>You don&#39;t sound like a Linux user to me, you sound like a shill, and shills regularly like to inject the token &#8220;I&#39;m a Linux user&#8221; or &#8220;I love Linux&#8221; comment in a pathetic attempt to make their shilling less obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: eruaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>eruaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. It didn&#039;t need Windows and could not run Windows. The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive. Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children, they will resort to extortion if they think it will stop or put a tax on the use of Linux in any environment, a tax paid to Microsoft as evidenced recently by their successful extortion of Melco.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. The price... see point 1.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. Its for children...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. It didn&#39;t need Windows and could not run Windows. The hardware had to be changed and upgraded to run Windows, making it more expensive. Microsoft did not get involved because they gave a damn about children, they will resort to extortion if they think it will stop or put a tax on the use of Linux in any environment, a tax paid to Microsoft as evidenced recently by their successful extortion of Melco.</p>
<p>2. The price&#8230; see point 1.</p>
<p>3. Its for children&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AsterixResearch</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsterixResearch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was a number of mistakes, or rather, miscalculations, some big, some small.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The underlying idea was and still is, brilliant - that access to computing, like air, water, food, and shelter, has become a basic human right, for children in even the poorest communities in the world, as well as their families.  That is very empowering.  Many other development programs can piggyback on top of that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At Google Headquarters, there is a flat screen with a rotating earth showing the number of searches in real time, as peaks, colored by language, all over the globe.  Night and day show up.  It doesn&#039;t take many rotations to realize that Africa is dark.  No electricity, no computers, little education, negligible numbers of searches searches.  It doesn&#039;t take many rotations to realize that where the globe is dark, many needs are great.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, from the point of view of one who was eager to buy into the Give One Get One program, a veteran of user groups of past operating systems, although not Linux, here are the issues that stand out for me:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Poor distribution at the beginning.  Had Amazon handled the first program, and advertised the second one more widely, the results might have been better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. Almost no documentation.  Not everyone has the time, inclination, or skills to not only learn the operating system, but develop the applications it lacks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3.  An educational philosophy that is flawed at best, and autocratic at worst.  Teachers and students should be able to use a computer as a tool.  Collaboration has its place, but so does learning the basics, incluidng learning math and reading literacy in addition to computer literacy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4.  No teacher&#039;s tools, manuals, guidelines, lesson plans etc.  Teachers a busy, and could use a lot of help.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;5.  A marketing system that was the polar opposite of the stated, social learning objectives.  Negroponte wanted the convenience of dealing only with large, million dollar orders from governments.  These days, some of the most successful software ventures have gained ground through social marketing, one person at a time.  As has, ironically, the whole netbook computer category.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;6.  Irreconcilable differences with other key originators. Enough said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;7.  No plan for updating the computer hardware in year two.  If the OLPC XO 1.5 had been ready last Christmas, along with the improved distribution system, it might have sold much better.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;8.  Sugar was not a bad idea.  It just would have helped if Sugar 1.5 had incorporated some standard features, such as a file management system along side of the &quot;journal&quot; approach, that would let grownups use it for real work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;9. It&#039;s still a great conversation piece.  I carried one through an airport the  first year, and had people come up to me, ranging from the grandmother of a child who had been a tester in a University of Maryland Lab, to a designer who worked with Yves Béhar of fuseproject, which designed much of the XO&#039;s hardware, but had not seen the final version in action.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am eager to see what happens next!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was a number of mistakes, or rather, miscalculations, some big, some small.</p>
<p>The underlying idea was and still is, brilliant &#8211; that access to computing, like air, water, food, and shelter, has become a basic human right, for children in even the poorest communities in the world, as well as their families.  That is very empowering.  Many other development programs can piggyback on top of that.</p>
<p>At Google Headquarters, there is a flat screen with a rotating earth showing the number of searches in real time, as peaks, colored by language, all over the globe.  Night and day show up.  It doesn&#39;t take many rotations to realize that Africa is dark.  No electricity, no computers, little education, negligible numbers of searches searches.  It doesn&#39;t take many rotations to realize that where the globe is dark, many needs are great.</p>
<p>That said, from the point of view of one who was eager to buy into the Give One Get One program, a veteran of user groups of past operating systems, although not Linux, here are the issues that stand out for me:</p>
<p>1.  Poor distribution at the beginning.  Had Amazon handled the first program, and advertised the second one more widely, the results might have been better.</p>
<p>2. Almost no documentation.  Not everyone has the time, inclination, or skills to not only learn the operating system, but develop the applications it lacks.</p>
<p>3.  An educational philosophy that is flawed at best, and autocratic at worst.  Teachers and students should be able to use a computer as a tool.  Collaboration has its place, but so does learning the basics, incluidng learning math and reading literacy in addition to computer literacy.</p>
<p>4.  No teacher&#39;s tools, manuals, guidelines, lesson plans etc.  Teachers a busy, and could use a lot of help.</p>
<p>5.  A marketing system that was the polar opposite of the stated, social learning objectives.  Negroponte wanted the convenience of dealing only with large, million dollar orders from governments.  These days, some of the most successful software ventures have gained ground through social marketing, one person at a time.  As has, ironically, the whole netbook computer category.</p>
<p>6.  Irreconcilable differences with other key originators. Enough said.</p>
<p>7.  No plan for updating the computer hardware in year two.  If the OLPC XO 1.5 had been ready last Christmas, along with the improved distribution system, it might have sold much better.    </p>
<p>8.  Sugar was not a bad idea.  It just would have helped if Sugar 1.5 had incorporated some standard features, such as a file management system along side of the &#8220;journal&#8221; approach, that would let grownups use it for real work.</p>
<p>9. It&#39;s still a great conversation piece.  I carried one through an airport the  first year, and had people come up to me, ranging from the grandmother of a child who had been a tester in a University of Maryland Lab, to a designer who worked with Yves Béhar of fuseproject, which designed much of the XO&#39;s hardware, but had not seen the final version in action.</p>
<p>I am eager to see what happens next!</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turning down free OS X for all OLPC in 2005 (imagine an OLPC crossed with an iPhone) was their biggest mistake. OLPC wanted the word &quot;Linux&quot; and OLPC customers wanted the word &quot;Windows&quot; and they could have both met in the middle with OS X (Unix core OS like Linux, mainstream apps like Windows). Part of the reason the iPhone and iPod touch are so successful is that Apple didn&#039;t have to build the software from scratch. The iPhone has great power management because it&#039;s the great power management from the Mac ported over. OLPC could have started life with all of these advantages also, and all development time could have been on features the user touches. Unique OLPC features.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another mistake was that they tried to equip kids as if they are all programmers. The programmer kids need the least help. They will find parts of 3 old PC&#039;s and put them together and install Ubuntu and program up a storm. The kids who need help are the other 90% who are going to be doctors, artists, business people who all have an I-T burden because of our modern world. So equipping these kids with email, a modern Web browser, an audio video player, and IM is more important than making the C language available to them. In other words, it should be more &quot;one smart phone per child&quot;. Communication, reading, writing, publishing are the important functions, the same as ever, just now with a digital component. Programming is just one of the things you do with a computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turning down free OS X for all OLPC in 2005 (imagine an OLPC crossed with an iPhone) was their biggest mistake. OLPC wanted the word &#8220;Linux&#8221; and OLPC customers wanted the word &#8220;Windows&#8221; and they could have both met in the middle with OS X (Unix core OS like Linux, mainstream apps like Windows). Part of the reason the iPhone and iPod touch are so successful is that Apple didn&#39;t have to build the software from scratch. The iPhone has great power management because it&#39;s the great power management from the Mac ported over. OLPC could have started life with all of these advantages also, and all development time could have been on features the user touches. Unique OLPC features.</p>
<p>Another mistake was that they tried to equip kids as if they are all programmers. The programmer kids need the least help. They will find parts of 3 old PC&#39;s and put them together and install Ubuntu and program up a storm. The kids who need help are the other 90% who are going to be doctors, artists, business people who all have an I-T burden because of our modern world. So equipping these kids with email, a modern Web browser, an audio video player, and IM is more important than making the C language available to them. In other words, it should be more &#8220;one smart phone per child&#8221;. Communication, reading, writing, publishing are the important functions, the same as ever, just now with a digital component. Programming is just one of the things you do with a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: E0157H7</title>
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		<dc:creator>E0157H7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting some sort of toggle within the OS that allowed for switching between Sugar and XFCE would have gone a very long way towards making the system more usable. Sugar is good for a collaborative classroom environment but a more traditional windows manager is ultimately more practical.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Grousing about Windows is hilarious because XP would have not run on the machine with any kind of usability. It had a Geode processor in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting some sort of toggle within the OS that allowed for switching between Sugar and XFCE would have gone a very long way towards making the system more usable. Sugar is good for a collaborative classroom environment but a more traditional windows manager is ultimately more practical.</p>
<p>Grousing about Windows is hilarious because XP would have not run on the machine with any kind of usability. It had a Geode processor in it.</p>
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		<title>By: fLoreign</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-24402</link>
		<dc:creator>fLoreign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OLPC started the whole netbook fad. This was a visionary idea. All the rest were copycats.&lt;br&gt;Maybe the OS was a bad marketing move, but if you take a look at it you&#039;ll see it&#039;s visionary in itself. None of the OS&#039;s on the market fit as well on children&#039;s minds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The moral of the story is that real philanthropists fail. It&#039;s much better for the starving children in the third world to be supported by Monsanto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OLPC started the whole netbook fad. This was a visionary idea. All the rest were copycats.<br />Maybe the OS was a bad marketing move, but if you take a look at it you&#39;ll see it&#39;s visionary in itself. None of the OS&#39;s on the market fit as well on children&#39;s minds.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is that real philanthropists fail. It&#39;s much better for the starving children in the third world to be supported by Monsanto.</p>
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		<title>By: OL</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-24399</link>
		<dc:creator>OL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--- This is idiotic. Learning how to use a program like OpenOffice is no different than Wordperfect or Word. You are not teaching them anything but how to use a piece of software. &lt;br&gt;I know many kids of the people I work with who use Windows/Linux/Mac and have NO problem. ---&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;trey, if anything is idiotic, it is your failure to recognize that Nate&#039;s point on Windows is legitimate!   Netbooks themselves would not have taken off at the rate that they have had it not been for Windows XP(or, more accurately, Microsoft&#039;s fear that they would lose market-share to Linux).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Arguments can be made either way but, personally, I would have rather seen Windows!  The user-base is too large to ignore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212; This is idiotic. Learning how to use a program like OpenOffice is no different than Wordperfect or Word. You are not teaching them anything but how to use a piece of software. <br />I know many kids of the people I work with who use Windows/Linux/Mac and have NO problem. &#8212;</p>
<p>trey, if anything is idiotic, it is your failure to recognize that Nate&#39;s point on Windows is legitimate!   Netbooks themselves would not have taken off at the rate that they have had it not been for Windows XP(or, more accurately, Microsoft&#39;s fear that they would lose market-share to Linux).</p>
<p>Arguments can be made either way but, personally, I would have rather seen Windows!  The user-base is too large to ignore!</p>
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		<title>By: Name</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/07/negroponte-sugar-os-was-olpcs-biggest-mistake.html#comment-24393</link>
		<dc:creator>Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negroponte says that it shouldnt have been desktop environment but just an application but I didnt read much about the OS part.&lt;br&gt;-&lt;br&gt;They can make it application now, .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They designed OLPC to be closed system by SW and HW to avoid others to steal it from kids and use it for other then educational purposes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their HW is great, but it is secondary for the goals .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that cheap ARM netbooks are comming from China, they can make Sugar an application. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another issue are the business interests of american government. &lt;br&gt;After all, if USA doesn t do OLPC right, maybe Chinese will !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negroponte says that it shouldnt have been desktop environment but just an application but I didnt read much about the OS part.<br />-<br />They can make it application now, .</p>
<p>They designed OLPC to be closed system by SW and HW to avoid others to steal it from kids and use it for other then educational purposes.</p>
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<p>Their HW is great, but it is secondary for the goals .</p>
<p>Now that cheap ARM netbooks are comming from China, they can make Sugar an application. </p>
<p>Another issue are the business interests of american government. <br />After all, if USA doesn t do OLPC right, maybe Chinese will !</p>
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