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		<title>By: DougC3</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-48673</link>
		<dc:creator>DougC3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we give up anything of significance, other than some compatibility, with the loss of x86 architecture and CISC decoding?</description>
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		<title>By: Toni Borgetto</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-48672</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni Borgetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is basically trying to push the Netbooks into a territory where customers would pay 500 or 600$ - so that they can charge for a full Windows 7 licence. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As long as Netbooks are expected to be cheap, they simply can&#039;t charge as much. So they want to emphasize that these are just &quot;little notebooks&quot; - well, they aren&#039;t! They are *cheap* little notebooks, and that&#039;s an important distinction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nowadays you can buy a fully usable Netbook for 300$ or even less, and soon the ARM-netbooks will come, with price points below 200$. There&#039;s simply no place for an expensive Windows licence with these netbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is basically trying to push the Netbooks into a territory where customers would pay 500 or 600$ &#8211; so that they can charge for a full Windows 7 licence. </p>
<p>As long as Netbooks are expected to be cheap, they simply can&#39;t charge as much. So they want to emphasize that these are just &#8220;little notebooks&#8221; &#8211; well, they aren&#39;t! They are *cheap* little notebooks, and that&#39;s an important distinction.</p>
<p>Nowadays you can buy a fully usable Netbook for 300$ or even less, and soon the ARM-netbooks will come, with price points below 200$. There&#39;s simply no place for an expensive Windows licence with these netbooks.</p>
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		<title>By: DougC3</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21698</link>
		<dc:creator>DougC3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we give up anything of significance, other than some compatibility, with the loss of x86 architecture and CISC decoding?</description>
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		<title>By: Toni Borgetto</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21690</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni Borgetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is basically trying to push the Netbooks into a territory where customers would pay 500 or 600$ - so that they can charge for a full Windows 7 licence. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As long as Netbooks are expected to be cheap, they simply can&#039;t charge as much. So they want to emphasize that these are just &quot;little notebooks&quot; - well, they aren&#039;t! They are *cheap* little notebooks, and that&#039;s an important distinction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nowadays you can buy a fully usable Netbook for 300$ or even less, and soon the ARM-netbooks will come, with price points below 200$. There&#039;s simply no place for an expensive Windows licence with these netbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is basically trying to push the Netbooks into a territory where customers would pay 500 or 600$ &#8211; so that they can charge for a full Windows 7 licence. </p>
<p>As long as Netbooks are expected to be cheap, they simply can&#39;t charge as much. So they want to emphasize that these are just &#8220;little notebooks&#8221; &#8211; well, they aren&#39;t! They are *cheap* little notebooks, and that&#39;s an important distinction.</p>
<p>Nowadays you can buy a fully usable Netbook for 300$ or even less, and soon the ARM-netbooks will come, with price points below 200$. There&#39;s simply no place for an expensive Windows licence with these netbooks.</p>
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		<title>By: Supportive</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21677</link>
		<dc:creator>Supportive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDIT: Heh... I mean, somehow I think &quot;Microsoft Windows license&quot; and &quot;low cost&quot; do not go hand in hand... :-P&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A slip of tounge there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDIT: Heh&#8230; I mean, somehow I think &#8220;Microsoft Windows license&#8221; and &#8220;low cost&#8221; do not go hand in hand&#8230; <img src='http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A slip of tounge there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Supportive</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21676</link>
		<dc:creator>Supportive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I do not think &quot;Microsoft Windows license&quot; and &quot;low cost&quot; do not go hand in hand... :-P</description>
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		<title>By: Posts about google android as of June 3, 2009 &#124; Neto Cury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Posts about google android as of June 3, 2009 &#124; Neto Cury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Windows 7, laptop processors, and Google Android dominate news on the first day of the conference   Microsoft: Now that you can say “netbook” again… don’t - liliputing.com 06/03/2009 Sure, Psion may have dropped its trademark claim to the word [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Windows 7, laptop processors, and Google Android dominate news on the first day of the conference   Microsoft: Now that you can say “netbook” again… don’t &#8211; liliputing.com 06/03/2009 Sure, Psion may have dropped its trademark claim to the word [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21673</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I just want longer battery use, Pixel Qi screen and OLPC powersaving with MeshNetworking vs just WiFi... and Intel&#039;s processors were rejected by OLPC not because of anything other than they used too much power. I am sure Intel is working on this now, and in a short time will be very aggressive in this area (where they will be on a par with anything else, and their brand name will carry market share weight). Now Intel processors use too much power (letting ARM in the door for now).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem regarding power consumption here is a problem with the x86 architecture itself. It is not a problem of Intel&#039;s chip technology per se. x86 is a CISC architecture. x86 chips are essentially RISC chips with a complex CISC instruction decoder and sequencer added.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ARM chips are RISC chips. The leave out the CISC decoder entirely.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this way, ARM can design a chip like the Cortex A9 MPcore and have it use only 250mw per core. The Cortex A9 MPCore can have up to four CPU cores. Yes, ARM are about to produce a quad core CPU running at over 1GHz and consuming something in the region of just one to two watts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU recently announced is a dual core ARM CPU running at 1.5. GHz.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eetimes.eu/en/404.html?vID=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://eetimes.eu/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=2...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yet it uses way less power than the Atom processors in typical use on netbooks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No matter what Intel do, if they stick with x86 architecture then they cannot come close to that power/performance ratio.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pixel Qi screen + ARM multicore = way more CPU grunt + lower power consumption = much longer battery life with no loss of performance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even better, ARM architecture does not have to pay any patent royalties (unlike x86 where Intel and AMD have to pay each other for every CPU).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So you potentially get not only less power, not only more CPU grunt, but it will also cost less to produce per unit.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be win win win for a full-featured Linux netbook on ARM architecture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I just want longer battery use, Pixel Qi screen and OLPC powersaving with MeshNetworking vs just WiFi&#8230; and Intel&#39;s processors were rejected by OLPC not because of anything other than they used too much power. I am sure Intel is working on this now, and in a short time will be very aggressive in this area (where they will be on a par with anything else, and their brand name will carry market share weight). Now Intel processors use too much power (letting ARM in the door for now).</p>
<p>The problem regarding power consumption here is a problem with the x86 architecture itself. It is not a problem of Intel&#39;s chip technology per se. x86 is a CISC architecture. x86 chips are essentially RISC chips with a complex CISC instruction decoder and sequencer added.</p>
<p>ARM chips are RISC chips. The leave out the CISC decoder entirely.</p>
<p>In this way, ARM can design a chip like the Cortex A9 MPcore and have it use only 250mw per core. The Cortex A9 MPCore can have up to four CPU cores. Yes, ARM are about to produce a quad core CPU running at over 1GHz and consuming something in the region of just one to two watts.</p>
<p>The Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU recently announced is a dual core ARM CPU running at 1.5. GHz.</p>
<p><a href="http://eetimes.eu/en/404.html?vID=" rel="nofollow">http://eetimes.eu/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=2&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Yet it uses way less power than the Atom processors in typical use on netbooks.</p>
<p>No matter what Intel do, if they stick with x86 architecture then they cannot come close to that power/performance ratio.</p>
<p>Pixel Qi screen + ARM multicore = way more CPU grunt + lower power consumption = much longer battery life with no loss of performance.</p>
<p>Even better, ARM architecture does not have to pay any patent royalties (unlike x86 where Intel and AMD have to pay each other for every CPU).</p>
<p>So you potentially get not only less power, not only more CPU grunt, but it will also cost less to produce per unit.</p>
<p>It would be win win win for a full-featured Linux netbook on ARM architecture.</p>
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		<title>By: LCSNPC - So Much More Friendly than Netbook. Thank You, Microsoft &#124; CloudAve</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21653</link>
		<dc:creator>LCSNPC - So Much More Friendly than Netbook. Thank You, Microsoft &#124; CloudAve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “netbook” to push up Win 7 priceMicrosoft Says That The Term ‘Netbook’ Should Be AbandonedMicrosoft: Now that you can say “netbook” again… don’t     Posted Under : General   Tags microsoft netbooks netbook notebook windows 7 win7 lcsnpc    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] “netbook” to push up Win 7 priceMicrosoft Says That The Term ‘Netbook’ Should Be AbandonedMicrosoft: Now that you can say “netbook” again… don’t     Posted Under : General   Tags microsoft netbooks netbook notebook windows 7 win7 lcsnpc    [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyKing1969</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21643</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyKing1969</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough call, because a proper noun like Netbook can be easily pejorated or  ameliorated depending on how people use it over th next few years.  Words can come to mean anything if enough people use them in a certain context too long.  But that is true of any word, if I started a blog about how mini-notebooks are underpowered and worthless then  I can easily make mini-notebook a scathing pejorative.   I could just as easily start a blog to make the term netbook an ameliorate term that means all things modern and desirable.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think Netbook is a perfectly good moniker as long as Microsoft, Intel, and all the manufactures stop trying to kick it like a dog to the curb.  If everyone  works to make Netbook mean small/capable/computer that is what it &#039;will&#039; mean.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, any name that is choose must live side by side with Smartbook now.  That term is catchy and also is rather descriptive of a device between Smartphone and Notebook, so that term won&#039;t soon go away.  It also instantly ameliorated by having &#039;smart&#039; in the title.  A Stalebook or a Shitbook is less desireable as you might imagine.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The biggest drawback for Mini-notebook is that it more then two syllables.  It doesn&#039;t roll of the tongue either, so people would not even use it, likely shorting it to Mini-note or worse in short order.  Mini-notbook is almost sure to fail as a term.  WIth that in mind its either Netbook or a better term, because Mini-notebook is not going to last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough call, because a proper noun like Netbook can be easily pejorated or  ameliorated depending on how people use it over th next few years.  Words can come to mean anything if enough people use them in a certain context too long.  But that is true of any word, if I started a blog about how mini-notebooks are underpowered and worthless then  I can easily make mini-notebook a scathing pejorative.   I could just as easily start a blog to make the term netbook an ameliorate term that means all things modern and desirable.  </p>
<p>I think Netbook is a perfectly good moniker as long as Microsoft, Intel, and all the manufactures stop trying to kick it like a dog to the curb.  If everyone  works to make Netbook mean small/capable/computer that is what it &#39;will&#39; mean.</p>
<p>And, any name that is choose must live side by side with Smartbook now.  That term is catchy and also is rather descriptive of a device between Smartphone and Notebook, so that term won&#39;t soon go away.  It also instantly ameliorated by having &#39;smart&#39; in the title.  A Stalebook or a Shitbook is less desireable as you might imagine.  </p>
<p>The biggest drawback for Mini-notebook is that it more then two syllables.  It doesn&#39;t roll of the tongue either, so people would not even use it, likely shorting it to Mini-note or worse in short order.  Mini-notbook is almost sure to fail as a term.  WIth that in mind its either Netbook or a better term, because Mini-notebook is not going to last.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/06/microsoft-now-that-you-can-say-netbook-again-dont.html#comment-21639</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you only use a laptop on your lap?&lt;br&gt;Do you only take notes with your notebook?  Or are they all even the same size as a notebook now?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Netbook is fine...  As the functionality improves so will what it implies to people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you only use a laptop on your lap?<br />Do you only take notes with your notebook?  Or are they all even the same size as a notebook now?</p>
<p>Netbook is fine&#8230;  As the functionality improves so will what it implies to people.</p>
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		<title>By: animatio</title>
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		<dc:creator>animatio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“low cost small notebook PCs” ....... what a f****g tonguebraker from THE GUYS ....  &lt;br&gt;keep it net ... as everybody knows the word know - netbooks is the term!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“low cost small notebook PCs” &#8230;&#8230;. what a f****g tonguebraker from THE GUYS &#8230;.  <br />keep it net &#8230; as everybody knows the word know &#8211; netbooks is the term!</p>
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		<title>By: BoloMKXXVIII</title>
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		<dc:creator>BoloMKXXVIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with &quot;Smartbook&quot; is it is Qualcomm&#039;s name. We don&#039;t want to have another name problem like we had with &quot;netbook&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that Android has been ported to MIPS we will have to devise yet another name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with &#8220;Smartbook&#8221; is it is Qualcomm&#39;s name. We don&#39;t want to have another name problem like we had with &#8220;netbook&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now that Android has been ported to MIPS we will have to devise yet another name.</p>
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