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		<title>By: Weekly Notes #17, 2009 - NotebookNotes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly Notes #17, 2009 - NotebookNotes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP. It seems like future netbooks will have Windows 7 Starter Edition preinstalled [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 21/04/2009: Android Sub-notebooks Appear, MAFIAA Smears the FSF &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP But here’s the question: Would you rather buy a netbook with a deliberately crippled OS that still costs more than Linux, and pay for an upgrade, or just buy a cheap laptop that runs a fully functional Linux distribution like Ubuntu, Mandriva, Xandros, or Linpus Linux Lite? OK, if you’re reading this there’s a good chance you’re a geek and you’re not scared by Linux. So let me rephrase the question and ask which netbook operating system option would you recommend to your friends and family members? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Microsoft makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP But here’s the question: Would you rather buy a netbook with a deliberately crippled OS that still costs more than Linux, and pay for an upgrade, or just buy a cheap laptop that runs a fully functional Linux distribution like Ubuntu, Mandriva, Xandros, or Linpus Linux Lite? OK, if you’re reading this there’s a good chance you’re a geek and you’re not scared by Linux. So let me rephrase the question and ask which netbook operating system option would you recommend to your friends and family members? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-46644</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the HP Mini 1000 typifies the low end at all. I don&#039;t use it as my primary computer - that&#039;s an iMac - but with 2GB of RAM and a functional total of 24GB SSD (16GB + an 8GB flash in the custom slot), it meets my portable needs for retail + $45 for the upgrades. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would NEVER go to Linux - even a high paid programmer friends got fed up with it on his PC and then on my Asus 701eee. I think that garden variety users will stick with Windows and learn to live with the 3 open app limitation, which doesn&#039;t seem all that constrained because this is an ultraportable, not a desktop substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think the HP Mini 1000 typifies the low end at all. I don&#39;t use it as my primary computer &#8211; that&#39;s an iMac &#8211; but with 2GB of RAM and a functional total of 24GB SSD (16GB + an 8GB flash in the custom slot), it meets my portable needs for retail + $45 for the upgrades. </p>
<p>I would NEVER go to Linux &#8211; even a high paid programmer friends got fed up with it on his PC and then on my Asus 701eee. I think that garden variety users will stick with Windows and learn to live with the 3 open app limitation, which doesn&#39;t seem all that constrained because this is an ultraportable, not a desktop substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: oddone</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-46643</link>
		<dc:creator>oddone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never, *ever* underestimate what price will do to a consumer&#039;s decision making.  It&#039;s how companies like Coby, Mitsuba, and their ilk stay in business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The netbook is here to stay.  It&#039;s the commodity computer, you can get it with cellphone company data plans, and in the future I expect to see other ways to get them subsidized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And...I can *kind* of see why they&#039;d do it.  Intel wants to eventually get Atom into Cellphones/MIDs...and at least with the cellphone market it&#039;s not something they&#039;re in right now...and the low cost chips there don&#039;t cannibalize their profits centers like Netbooks do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And of course MS wants you to experience their full OS in all it&#039;s $60 per OEM glory(Four times the cash?  Really, who *wouldn&#039;t* push for that?!).  Of course windows 7 *will* run on netbooks...but you can get so much more of their Aero/media/glorious-computing-life from a good, solid $500-800 Laptop.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But.  It&#039;s not like companies won&#039;t just switch to ARM and Android/linux/whatever if MS and Intel took their ball and went home, anyway.  The market is proven, the money is there.  There are more than enough(Mostly non-American)companies out there who want to feed this market.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But at the same time...who wants to turn away money?  No, I don&#039;t think the big players are going to kill this goose, even if its&#039; eggs lack some golden luster.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But...even if there are missteps, the competitors are coming.  IBM has their new chip, the ARM crew is coming on fast...and the more I think about it, an Android machine with an integrated App store is a great idea for a full featured alternative with a built in market for developers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One wonders if Apple aren&#039;t thinking the same thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never, *ever* underestimate what price will do to a consumer&#39;s decision making.  It&#39;s how companies like Coby, Mitsuba, and their ilk stay in business.</p>
<p>The netbook is here to stay.  It&#39;s the commodity computer, you can get it with cellphone company data plans, and in the future I expect to see other ways to get them subsidized.</p>
<p>And&#8230;I can *kind* of see why they&#39;d do it.  Intel wants to eventually get Atom into Cellphones/MIDs&#8230;and at least with the cellphone market it&#39;s not something they&#39;re in right now&#8230;and the low cost chips there don&#39;t cannibalize their profits centers like Netbooks do.</p>
<p>And of course MS wants you to experience their full OS in all it&#39;s $60 per OEM glory(Four times the cash?  Really, who *wouldn&#39;t* push for that?!).  Of course windows 7 *will* run on netbooks&#8230;but you can get so much more of their Aero/media/glorious-computing-life from a good, solid $500-800 Laptop.</p>
<p>But.  It&#39;s not like companies won&#39;t just switch to ARM and Android/linux/whatever if MS and Intel took their ball and went home, anyway.  The market is proven, the money is there.  There are more than enough(Mostly non-American)companies out there who want to feed this market.</p>
<p>But at the same time&#8230;who wants to turn away money?  No, I don&#39;t think the big players are going to kill this goose, even if its&#39; eggs lack some golden luster.</p>
<p>But&#8230;even if there are missteps, the competitors are coming.  IBM has their new chip, the ARM crew is coming on fast&#8230;and the more I think about it, an Android machine with an integrated App store is a great idea for a full featured alternative with a built in market for developers.</p>
<p>One wonders if Apple aren&#39;t thinking the same thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19203</link>
		<dc:creator>A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the HP Mini 1000 typifies the low end at all. I don&#039;t use it as my primary computer - that&#039;s an iMac - but with 2GB of RAM and a functional total of 24GB SSD (16GB + an 8GB flash in the custom slot), it meets my portable needs for retail + $45 for the upgrades. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would NEVER go to Linux - even a high paid programmer friends got fed up with it on his PC and then on my Asus 701eee. I think that garden variety users will stick with Windows and learn to live with the 3 open app limitation, which doesn&#039;t seem all that constrained because this is an ultraportable, not a desktop substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think the HP Mini 1000 typifies the low end at all. I don&#39;t use it as my primary computer &#8211; that&#39;s an iMac &#8211; but with 2GB of RAM and a functional total of 24GB SSD (16GB + an 8GB flash in the custom slot), it meets my portable needs for retail + $45 for the upgrades. </p>
<p>I would NEVER go to Linux &#8211; even a high paid programmer friends got fed up with it on his PC and then on my Asus 701eee. I think that garden variety users will stick with Windows and learn to live with the 3 open app limitation, which doesn&#39;t seem all that constrained because this is an ultraportable, not a desktop substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: oddone</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19194</link>
		<dc:creator>oddone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never, *ever* underestimate what price will do to a consumer&#039;s decision making.  It&#039;s how companies like Coby, Mitsuba, and their ilk stay in business.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The netbook is here to stay.  It&#039;s the commodity computer, you can get it with cellphone company data plans, and in the future I expect to see other ways to get them subsidized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And...I can *kind* of see why they&#039;d do it.  Intel wants to eventually get Atom into Cellphones/MIDs...and at least with the cellphone market it&#039;s not something they&#039;re in right now...and the low cost chips there don&#039;t cannibalize their profits centers like Netbooks do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And of course MS wants you to experience their full OS in all it&#039;s $60 per OEM glory(Four times the cash?  Really, who *wouldn&#039;t* push for that?!).  Of course windows 7 *will* run on netbooks...but you can get so much more of their Aero/media/glorious-computing-life from a good, solid $500-800 Laptop.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But.  It&#039;s not like companies won&#039;t just switch to ARM and Android/linux/whatever if MS and Intel took their ball and went home, anyway.  The market is proven, the money is there.  There are more than enough(Mostly non-American)companies out there who want to feed this market.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But at the same time...who wants to turn away money?  No, I don&#039;t think the big players are going to kill this goose, even if its&#039; eggs lack some golden luster.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But...even if there are missteps, the competitors are coming.  IBM has their new chip, the ARM crew is coming on fast...and the more I think about it, an Android machine with an integrated App store is a great idea for a full featured alternative with a built in market for developers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One wonders if Apple aren&#039;t thinking the same thing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never, *ever* underestimate what price will do to a consumer&#39;s decision making.  It&#39;s how companies like Coby, Mitsuba, and their ilk stay in business.</p>
<p>The netbook is here to stay.  It&#39;s the commodity computer, you can get it with cellphone company data plans, and in the future I expect to see other ways to get them subsidized.</p>
<p>And&#8230;I can *kind* of see why they&#39;d do it.  Intel wants to eventually get Atom into Cellphones/MIDs&#8230;and at least with the cellphone market it&#39;s not something they&#39;re in right now&#8230;and the low cost chips there don&#39;t cannibalize their profits centers like Netbooks do.</p>
<p>And of course MS wants you to experience their full OS in all it&#39;s $60 per OEM glory(Four times the cash?  Really, who *wouldn&#39;t* push for that?!).  Of course windows 7 *will* run on netbooks&#8230;but you can get so much more of their Aero/media/glorious-computing-life from a good, solid $500-800 Laptop.</p>
<p>But.  It&#39;s not like companies won&#39;t just switch to ARM and Android/linux/whatever if MS and Intel took their ball and went home, anyway.  The market is proven, the money is there.  There are more than enough(Mostly non-American)companies out there who want to feed this market.</p>
<p>But at the same time&#8230;who wants to turn away money?  No, I don&#39;t think the big players are going to kill this goose, even if its&#39; eggs lack some golden luster.</p>
<p>But&#8230;even if there are missteps, the competitors are coming.  IBM has their new chip, the ARM crew is coming on fast&#8230;and the more I think about it, an Android machine with an integrated App store is a great idea for a full featured alternative with a built in market for developers.</p>
<p>One wonders if Apple aren&#39;t thinking the same thing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP &#171; Find A Cheap Laptop</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19191</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP &#171; Find A Cheap Laptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the original: Microsoft makes $15 for every netbook sold with Windows XP [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew.S</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19186</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the NC10, Samsung made some unfortunate choices with regards to hardware, and they have made their product very difficult to install Linux onto.  This isn&#039;t the fault of Linux, it&#039;s just that Samsung used weird hardware, and nobody has reverse engineered it yet.  If manufacturers would submit drivers to Linux, the way they do with windows, you wouldn&#039;t have this problem.  It&#039;s too bad, as I really wanted a NC10 myself, but ended up getting a HP 2140, due to excellent Linux support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the NC10, Samsung made some unfortunate choices with regards to hardware, and they have made their product very difficult to install Linux onto.  This isn&#39;t the fault of Linux, it&#39;s just that Samsung used weird hardware, and nobody has reverse engineered it yet.  If manufacturers would submit drivers to Linux, the way they do with windows, you wouldn&#39;t have this problem.  It&#39;s too bad, as I really wanted a NC10 myself, but ended up getting a HP 2140, due to excellent Linux support.</p>
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		<title>By: nicfer</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19184</link>
		<dc:creator>nicfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also remember that commercial versions of Linux aren&#039;t totally free. Yes, you may be able to download that distro for free, but if you want to get commercial support (which hardware retailers need), you&#039;ll need to pay $$. Thus, also making the netbook or whatever device somewhat expensive, but turn.self.off&#039;s reason is most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also remember that commercial versions of Linux aren&#39;t totally free. Yes, you may be able to download that distro for free, but if you want to get commercial support (which hardware retailers need), you&#39;ll need to pay $$. Thus, also making the netbook or whatever device somewhat expensive, but turn.self.off&#39;s reason is most important.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19180</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m a geek, but I&#039;m a little scared of Linux, mostly because I haven&#039;t been able to get it fully configured and 100% running on my NC10 netbook. I only got wifi working once, and then I rebooted and lost wifi, so I installed Windows 7 on it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see netbooks splitting into two - the high end, which are just low-power, low-cost full-functionality ultraportables like my NC10, and the low-end, which are low-power and more like overgrown iPod Touches like the HP 1000 Mi (which is not quite there yet).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think people will be more amenable to Linux on the low end, but only if the netbook manufacturers put some time into it - both in the UI which needs to be optimized for a quick experience on a small screen and in the back end which needs to be optimized for speed and needs to support all the hardware. Delivering non-functional hardware that only works with Windows is not the right way. I&#039;m looking at you, HP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. </p>
<p>I&#39;m a geek, but I&#39;m a little scared of Linux, mostly because I haven&#39;t been able to get it fully configured and 100% running on my NC10 netbook. I only got wifi working once, and then I rebooted and lost wifi, so I installed Windows 7 on it. </p>
<p>I see netbooks splitting into two &#8211; the high end, which are just low-power, low-cost full-functionality ultraportables like my NC10, and the low-end, which are low-power and more like overgrown iPod Touches like the HP 1000 Mi (which is not quite there yet).</p>
<p>I think people will be more amenable to Linux on the low end, but only if the netbook manufacturers put some time into it &#8211; both in the UI which needs to be optimized for a quick experience on a small screen and in the back end which needs to be optimized for speed and needs to support all the hardware. Delivering non-functional hardware that only works with Windows is not the right way. I&#39;m looking at you, HP.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of which are &quot;commercial support&quot; rather than &quot;community support&quot; distributions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just because you see &quot;Linux&quot; in the name does not mean it is a complete &lt;br&gt;version of a &quot;community supported&quot; distribution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you really need &quot;commercial support&quot; - you can get a support contract from many&lt;br&gt;of the major distributions.  Such as Ubuntu, just send them money.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of which are &#8220;commercial support&#8221; rather than &#8220;community support&#8221; distributions.</p>
<p>Just because you see &#8220;Linux&#8221; in the name does not mean it is a complete <br />version of a &#8220;community supported&#8221; distribution.</p>
<p>If you really need &#8220;commercial support&#8221; &#8211; you can get a support contract from many<br />of the major distributions.  Such as Ubuntu, just send them money.  <img src='http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19178</link>
		<dc:creator>turn.self.off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>starter will probably never be retail, at least not in developed portions of the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;its for OEM&#039;s, specifically in places with rampant copyright infringement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>starter will probably never be retail, at least not in developed portions of the world.</p>
<p>its for OEM&#39;s, specifically in places with rampant copyright infringement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
		<link>http://liliputing.com/2009/04/microsoft-makes-15-for-every-netbook-sold-with-windows-xp.html#comment-19176</link>
		<dc:creator>turn.self.off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats thanks to third party sponsoring.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;why do you think there is a 30 day norton security package on just about every big brand computer? because symantec pays them to put it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats thanks to third party sponsoring.</p>
<p>why do you think there is a 30 day norton security package on just about every big brand computer? because symantec pays them to put it there.</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
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		<dc:creator>turn.self.off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sadly im tempted to say that xandros and linpus offerings on netbooks are just as crippled as windows starter...</description>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably some conspiracy by both Micro$oft and Intel to kill sales of the netbooks which have turned into a Frankenstein&#039;s (or is that Al Franken?) low margin monster for them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get something like PuPeee fully functional on my Asus 1000H and I&#039;d be happy. All I want my Netbook for is email and web browsing when I am on the road. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Give it a user-friendly desktop interface and no geek-speak Linux knowledge and most users would be happy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tried the latest PuPeee distribution and have it running from a 2GB thumb drive. The whole package takes up less than 110 MB on the drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably some conspiracy by both Micro$oft and Intel to kill sales of the netbooks which have turned into a Frankenstein&#39;s (or is that Al Franken?) low margin monster for them.</p>
<p>Get something like PuPeee fully functional on my Asus 1000H and I&#39;d be happy. All I want my Netbook for is email and web browsing when I am on the road. </p>
<p>Give it a user-friendly desktop interface and no geek-speak Linux knowledge and most users would be happy.</p>
<p>I tried the latest PuPeee distribution and have it running from a 2GB thumb drive. The whole package takes up less than 110 MB on the drive.</p>
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