Comments on: Psion demands a jury trial in netbook trademark case http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html Compact Computing Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Psion settles case over the n word, netbook @ Technology News http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-21651 Psion settles case over the n word, netbook @ Technology News Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:17:14 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-21651 [...] asked for a jury trial, providing sales value figures (reproduced at Liliputing) to support its claim that it still sold netbooks, and that “profits Intel made off of its [...] [...] asked for a jury trial, providing sales value figures (reproduced at Liliputing) to support its claim that it still sold netbooks, and that “profits Intel made off of its [...]

]]> By: Netbook ® Pro http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16718 Netbook ® Pro Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:26:58 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16718 This is piracy. Intel should have sought cancellation before using Psion’s legitimate trademark name. I believe the courts will be looking for proper procedures rather than wishful thinking of Intel. Therefore, Intel will eventually be forced to pay hefty fines to Psion. This is piracy. Intel should have sought cancellation before using Psion’s legitimate trademark name. I believe the courts will be looking for proper procedures rather than wishful thinking of Intel. Therefore, Intel will eventually be forced to pay hefty fines to Psion.

]]> By: john http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16499 john Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:08:37 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16499 Sorry....<br><br>but intel actually first used the term "netbook" for these devices when they knew psion had sold a similar device for a long period of time called a Netbook.<br><br>Psion took the time and effort to develop and sell a device in this formfactor in 1999 and was still selling the Pro version in 2009 (manufacture stopped in 2008).<br><br>So as far as I am concerned it is only a popular term because of intel when they already knew it was used and would not have been used for these mini laptops if they had suggested it.<br><br>Psion desreve to win.. Or else any big company that wants can just step on any trademark they want with no consequences. <br><br>It's not about whether we now like the term or not but the presidence it sets if intel win.<br><br>John<br><br>PS Intels CPU's were used in the psion netbook (Strongarm then Xscale) Sorry….

but intel actually first used the term “netbook” for these devices when they knew psion had sold a similar device for a long period of time called a Netbook.

Psion took the time and effort to develop and sell a device in this formfactor in 1999 and was still selling the Pro version in 2009 (manufacture stopped in 2008).

So as far as I am concerned it is only a popular term because of intel when they already knew it was used and would not have been used for these mini laptops if they had suggested it.

Psion desreve to win.. Or else any big company that wants can just step on any trademark they want with no consequences.

It's not about whether we now like the term or not but the presidence it sets if intel win.

John

PS Intels CPU's were used in the psion netbook (Strongarm then Xscale)

]]> By: TomLeeM/BigWarpGuy http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16403 TomLeeM/BigWarpGuy Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:07:05 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16403 It is like Microsoft taking any body to court for using the term windows in their ads if it does not refer to their operating system. Windows is not only an operating system name but also a generic computer term. I think 'netbook' should be treated the same way. With the way courts are now a days, Psion might win. I think that is a loss for every one else. It is like Microsoft taking any body to court for using the term windows in their ads if it does not refer to their operating system. Windows is not only an operating system name but also a generic computer term. I think 'netbook' should be treated the same way. With the way courts are now a days, Psion might win. I think that is a loss for every one else.

]]> By: Ronak http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16384 Ronak Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:25:23 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16384 I'm not sure how Psion considers themselves relevant in the Netbook industry, when they themselves list their Netbook Pro computer as 'Discontinued' on their website. I'm not sure how Psion considers themselves relevant in the Netbook industry, when they themselves list their Netbook Pro computer as 'Discontinued' on their website.

]]> By: john http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16362 john Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:12:06 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16362 Just to add they are also US figures... The EPOC OS was not a big thing in the US which is another reason for the low sales pre the CE .net 4.2 version of the netbook.<br><br>John Just to add they are also US figures… The EPOC OS was not a big thing in the US which is another reason for the low sales pre the CE .net 4.2 version of the netbook.

John

]]> By: john http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16361 john Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:10:56 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16361 They are not dodgy at all.<br><br>They made the Netbook (EPOC version) up to 2003 they then made the Netbook Pro (from 2004) and sold it into verticle markets. these vertical markets got functionallity required from the Netbook Pro like RDP and Citrix etc. <br><br>Hence why the sales took off over the next few years.<br><br>John They are not dodgy at all.

They made the Netbook (EPOC version) up to 2003 they then made the Netbook Pro (from 2004) and sold it into verticle markets. these vertical markets got functionallity required from the Netbook Pro like RDP and Citrix etc.

Hence why the sales took off over the next few years.

John

]]> By: john http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16360 john Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:08:28 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16360 Again you say in the article "they stopped making them in 2003". <br><br>They didn't stop in 2003. The original netbook stopped in 2003 and was changed to the Netbook Pro which was manufactured from 2004ish through to 2008ish.<br><br>John Again you say in the article “they stopped making them in 2003″.

They didn't stop in 2003. The original netbook stopped in 2003 and was changed to the Netbook Pro which was manufactured from 2004ish through to 2008ish.

John

]]> By: Brad Linder http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16358 Brad Linder Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:24:47 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16358 Keep in mind, these are just the US sales. Psion's products were always more popular in Europe than the US. Keep in mind, these are just the US sales. Psion's products were always more popular in Europe than the US.

]]> By: wayne http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16355 wayne Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:33:16 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16355 Add another option...<br><br>"PsionBook" - just to piss psion right off :)<br><br>Those "sales" figures look really dodgy. I bought a Psion5 in 98 around their peak popularity. If the 1999 sales figures can be believed, there really can't have been many more sold apart from everyone in my IT department.<br><br>I find it VERY hard to believe the more recent sales happened when they stopped manufacturing ages ago. Who holds onto 7 year old technology inventory and makes more money from it? What was a $800 device upon release would only be $200 after that time (roughly).<br><br>I think they've been to some dodgy accounting course thinking we'll just believe it is still a viable company... how did they employee anyone (including directors) from 2000 - 2004 with sales at that level? Did everyone work for free?<br><br>I smell a rat (or a lawyer - hard to pick which from a distance). LOL Add another option…

“PsionBook” – just to piss psion right off :)

Those “sales” figures look really dodgy. I bought a Psion5 in 98 around their peak popularity. If the 1999 sales figures can be believed, there really can't have been many more sold apart from everyone in my IT department.

I find it VERY hard to believe the more recent sales happened when they stopped manufacturing ages ago. Who holds onto 7 year old technology inventory and makes more money from it? What was a $800 device upon release would only be $200 after that time (roughly).

I think they've been to some dodgy accounting course thinking we'll just believe it is still a viable company… how did they employee anyone (including directors) from 2000 – 2004 with sales at that level? Did everyone work for free?

I smell a rat (or a lawyer – hard to pick which from a distance). LOL

]]> By: Mikez http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16352 Mikez Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:45:54 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16352 The law seems to say "sold in inter-state commerce" and no numbers<br>mentioned (I.E: 1 or more).<br><br>But I agree with your point, I or probably anyone else reading this,<br>could sell more than 20 a year at the local flea market. ;) The law seems to say “sold in inter-state commerce” and no numbers
mentioned (I.E: 1 or more).

But I agree with your point, I or probably anyone else reading this,
could sell more than 20 a year at the local flea market. ;)

]]> By: savethenetbooks http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16351 savethenetbooks Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:33:23 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16351 Offense neither taken nor intended.<br><br>This transition will probably be faster this time because the devices are cheaper and this time round we have a bunch of serious cloud computing offerings to support the netbooks.<br><br>Burns comparison is hilarious.<br><br>StN Offense neither taken nor intended.

This transition will probably be faster this time because the devices are cheaper and this time round we have a bunch of serious cloud computing offerings to support the netbooks.

Burns comparison is hilarious.

StN

]]> By: Dizzy http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16349 Dizzy Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:23:47 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16349 Ok some ideas here to save the Psion/Intel lawyers making potloads of money, that will raise the price of ALL computers we buy to pay for them.<br>1] Let Psion use Netbook (Capital N) as its a name. Everyone else uses netbook (lower case n)<br>2] Everyone BUT Psion call them Knetbook, Gnetbook or something, then license everyone else BUT Psion to use it, just because they can.<br>3] Call them Notbooks, BarTops, MiniBooks or MinBook, or PalmBooks.<br><br>Excuse me while I register the word windows, just in case Microsoft wants to put glass sheets in their walls to see outside their offices. Ok some ideas here to save the Psion/Intel lawyers making potloads of money, that will raise the price of ALL computers we buy to pay for them.
1] Let Psion use Netbook (Capital N) as its a name. Everyone else uses netbook (lower case n)
2] Everyone BUT Psion call them Knetbook, Gnetbook or something, then license everyone else BUT Psion to use it, just because they can.
3] Call them Notbooks, BarTops, MiniBooks or MinBook, or PalmBooks.

Excuse me while I register the word windows, just in case Microsoft wants to put glass sheets in their walls to see outside their offices.

]]> By: PrincessNybor http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16347 PrincessNybor Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:59:16 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16347 Wow. The intent of my post was NOT to piss you off, but more to agree with you. I agree that Psion is clearly in this for the money, and waited FAR too long to make a claim. I picture their CEO to be rather like Mr. Burns, sitting in a dark corner, just hoping the hits on his "trademarked" term go into the billions, so he can collect. <br><br>All I'm saying is that it's rather moot in the long run. Remember when the industry tried to differentiate between "laptops" and "notebooks"? Laptops were desktop-replacement computers that were heavy, but powerful. Notebooks were lighter, less powerful, but more portable. How long did that stick? The two terms are now pretty much interchangeable. <br><br>None of that is to say that Psion has a claim, or that anyone who wants to call their small ultraportable computer a "netbook" shouldn't. [=^) Wow. The intent of my post was NOT to piss you off, but more to agree with you. I agree that Psion is clearly in this for the money, and waited FAR too long to make a claim. I picture their CEO to be rather like Mr. Burns, sitting in a dark corner, just hoping the hits on his “trademarked” term go into the billions, so he can collect.

All I'm saying is that it's rather moot in the long run. Remember when the industry tried to differentiate between “laptops” and “notebooks”? Laptops were desktop-replacement computers that were heavy, but powerful. Notebooks were lighter, less powerful, but more portable. How long did that stick? The two terms are now pretty much interchangeable.

None of that is to say that Psion has a claim, or that anyone who wants to call their small ultraportable computer a “netbook” shouldn't. [=^)

]]> By: savethenetbooks http://liliputing.com/2009/03/psion-demands-a-jury-trial-in-netbook-trademark-case.html#comment-16345 savethenetbooks Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:09:43 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=6154#comment-16345 The interesting thing is that it appears there was only $133,078 in netBook sales between 1999 and the 2003 discontinuation. At $1,299 a pop that's around a hundred devices.<br><br>Total.<br><br>Over five years.<br><br>Twenty a year.<br><br>Only half a dozen in the first two years of sales (2000, 2001).<br><br>It's almost like those figures are too low to be realistic, and yet surely Psion are giving optimistic rather than pessimistic numbers? The interesting thing is that it appears there was only $133,078 in netBook sales between 1999 and the 2003 discontinuation. At $1,299 a pop that's around a hundred devices.

Total.

Over five years.

Twenty a year.

Only half a dozen in the first two years of sales (2000, 2001).

It's almost like those figures are too low to be realistic, and yet surely Psion are giving optimistic rather than pessimistic numbers?

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