Comments on: Not every computer with an Atom CPU is a netbook – or is it? http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html Compact Computing Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Dale http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-49027 Dale Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:09:13 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-49027 I won't buy a more expensive netbook for the simple reason that Microsoft is forcing Dell and other manufacturers to limit them so much to get XP. If Vista wasn't so bloated and heavy to run, we wouldn't be seeking to load XP instead.<br><br>Microsoft was very concerned that people would buy these XP machines in preference over more expensive Vista machines that require much more performance just to run the bloated Vista OS. So they force manufacturers to limit machines like the mini-12 to 1 gig of Ram (and possibly the resolution as well). I won't buy a more expensive netbook for the simple reason that Microsoft is forcing Dell and other manufacturers to limit them so much to get XP. If Vista wasn't so bloated and heavy to run, we wouldn't be seeking to load XP instead.

Microsoft was very concerned that people would buy these XP machines in preference over more expensive Vista machines that require much more performance just to run the bloated Vista OS. So they force manufacturers to limit machines like the mini-12 to 1 gig of Ram (and possibly the resolution as well).

]]> By: Dale http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-8704 Dale Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:09:13 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-8704 I won't buy a more expensive netbook for the simple reason that Microsoft is forcing Dell and other manufacturers to limit them so much to get XP. If Vista wasn't so bloated and heavy to run, we wouldn't be seeking to load XP instead.<br><br>Microsoft was very concerned that people would buy these XP machines in preference over more expensive Vista machines that require much more performance just to run the bloated Vista OS. So they force manufacturers to limit machines like the mini-12 to 1 gig of Ram (and possibly the resolution as well). I won't buy a more expensive netbook for the simple reason that Microsoft is forcing Dell and other manufacturers to limit them so much to get XP. If Vista wasn't so bloated and heavy to run, we wouldn't be seeking to load XP instead.

Microsoft was very concerned that people would buy these XP machines in preference over more expensive Vista machines that require much more performance just to run the bloated Vista OS. So they force manufacturers to limit machines like the mini-12 to 1 gig of Ram (and possibly the resolution as well).

]]> By: در سال2009 چه لپ تاپي بخريم؟ :: به وبسايت پرشين فورس خوش آمديد http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-3886 در سال2009 چه لپ تاپي بخريم؟ :: به وبسايت پرشين فورس خوش آمديد Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:22:07 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-3886 [...] مثال بعضی ها معتقدند که نام نتبوک معادل پردازنده atom از اینتل است اما بعضی دیگر این را قبول ندارند.۶-فراموش کنید زمانی را که از [...] [...] مثال بعضی ها معتقدند که نام نتبوک معادل پردازنده atom از اینتل است اما بعضی دیگر این را قبول ندارند.۶-فراموش کنید زمانی را که از [...]

]]> By: nielsandersen http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4858 nielsandersen Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:19:22 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4858 I think this is more for latte-sipping, but sort of broke college students who can't afford a macbook air or a voodoo envy. I think it pretty much mentioned youtube watchers and tweeters in the press release.<br><br>the choice of the poulsbo chipset severely limits this device's usefulness for a road warrior IMHO.<br><br>That being said I think it's still totally relevant for Brad to continue to cover this type of device on liliputing. The term netbook is still very much under development and I think it makes little sense to rein it in so narrowly already.<br><br>I would ove a device like the wind in an 11 or 12 inch version with a screen resolution of 1280x800. To me that would be the ideal netbook. I think it would still be very portable (could easily be under 3 lbs) and cheap and would not need all the core 2 duo magic and optical drive hoopla of a full fledged laptop. I think this is more for latte-sipping, but sort of broke college students who can't afford a macbook air or a voodoo envy. I think it pretty much mentioned youtube watchers and tweeters in the press release.

the choice of the poulsbo chipset severely limits this device's usefulness for a road warrior IMHO.

That being said I think it's still totally relevant for Brad to continue to cover this type of device on liliputing. The term netbook is still very much under development and I think it makes little sense to rein it in so narrowly already.

I would ove a device like the wind in an 11 or 12 inch version with a screen resolution of 1280×800. To me that would be the ideal netbook. I think it would still be very portable (could easily be under 3 lbs) and cheap and would not need all the core 2 duo magic and optical drive hoopla of a full fledged laptop.

]]> By: Wayan http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4857 Wayan Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:52:15 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4857 Its out based on price and target market for me. <br><br>This is not a computer priced for a developed world school budget or developing would businessman - not at $599 and up. I think your general $400 limit is a good one, with the occasional exception for $450 machines.<br><br>This is targeted at the road warrior who wants to have a cheaper laptop for home or backup use, or the aspiring road warrior wanting something cool, but unable to afford the MacBook Air.<br><br>Um, still makes me want one for the Mrs and I to use on the living room couch.. Its out based on price and target market for me.

This is not a computer priced for a developed world school budget or developing would businessman – not at $599 and up. I think your general $400 limit is a good one, with the occasional exception for $450 machines.

This is targeted at the road warrior who wants to have a cheaper laptop for home or backup use, or the aspiring road warrior wanting something cool, but unable to afford the MacBook Air.

Um, still makes me want one for the Mrs and I to use on the living room couch..

]]> By: cpu computer definition | Bookmarks URL http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-3541 cpu computer definition | Bookmarks URL Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:01:52 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-3541 [...] This Sony VAIO VGN-CR205E/P laptop computer is powered by the 1.6 GHz Intel Pentium T2330 dual-core processor and it comes with 1 GB of installed RAM memory (which can be increased to a maximum of 4 GB). It also includes Intel’s 4965 AGN wireless LAN, which will connect to draft 802.11n routers … Not every computer with an Atom CPU is a netbook - or is it? [...] [...] This Sony VAIO VGN-CR205E/P laptop computer is powered by the 1.6 GHz Intel Pentium T2330 dual-core processor and it comes with 1 GB of installed RAM memory (which can be increased to a maximum of 4 GB). It also includes Intel’s 4965 AGN wireless LAN, which will connect to draft 802.11n routers … Not every computer with an Atom CPU is a netbook – or is it? [...]

]]> By: DougC3 http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4856 DougC3 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:02:46 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4856 One more thing. This is getting into hair splitting and semantics, but I sort of forgot about the RazorBook clones when we were discussing software and keyboard requirements above. Even though these devices do not offer a "complete" desktop or internet experience, I think they offer enough netbook functionality to be included in the netbook category. Representing the small end of the size range and capability range, they are also the most portable. <br><br>Even though these devices have limited room for software in main memory, they can be very valuable specialized tools as well as perform many normal netbook functions such as email, word processing and other office functions, and limited (but sometimes very important) web surfing, with Linux or Windows CE. More and more businesses, banks, etc, are building mobile oriented web sites which are handled with ease by these smaller OS's. One more thing. This is getting into hair splitting and semantics, but I sort of forgot about the RazorBook clones when we were discussing software and keyboard requirements above. Even though these devices do not offer a “complete” desktop or internet experience, I think they offer enough netbook functionality to be included in the netbook category. Representing the small end of the size range and capability range, they are also the most portable.

Even though these devices have limited room for software in main memory, they can be very valuable specialized tools as well as perform many normal netbook functions such as email, word processing and other office functions, and limited (but sometimes very important) web surfing, with Linux or Windows CE. More and more businesses, banks, etc, are building mobile oriented web sites which are handled with ease by these smaller OS's.

]]> By: John http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4849 John Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:15:04 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4849 what ever happened to IBM's "butterfly" keyboard design? It seems to address the "small screen, small keyboard" conundrum pretty well. I never used one, but I hear they were pretty nice. Too complex? what ever happened to IBM's “butterfly” keyboard design? It seems to address the “small screen, small keyboard” conundrum pretty well. I never used one, but I hear they were pretty nice. Too complex?

]]> By: DougC3 http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4848 DougC3 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:13:34 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4848 I can go along with this, but, for my own personal use, I think some touch typing should be doable with a netbook, which would place the eeePC 701 or 900 near the bottom of the size range. I can go along with this, but, for my own personal use, I think some touch typing should be doable with a netbook, which would place the eeePC 701 or 900 near the bottom of the size range.

]]> By: Chad78 http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4852 Chad78 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:51:42 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4852 Um, the MacBook Air cost nowhere near $500! It starts at more than 3 times that! If all you want is a lightweight notebook - you're not looking for a netbook. If price doesn't matter, you don't need a netbook. There's a huge difference between a MacBook Air and a netbook. If you can't see that, you've got problems. Um, the MacBook Air cost nowhere near $500! It starts at more than 3 times that! If all you want is a lightweight notebook – you're not looking for a netbook. If price doesn't matter, you don't need a netbook. There's a huge difference between a MacBook Air and a netbook. If you can't see that, you've got problems.

]]> By: Chad78 http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4851 Chad78 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:47:14 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4851 The 10 inch screen is not totally arbitrary, and I've given a number of examples of why it is not arbitrary. If you don't have a size limit, then the term has no meaning. A netbook is all about size. You take away the size limit, what have you got? Underpowered cheap laptops? You might as well buy a used Dell from 2 years ago if you want a cheap 15 inch notebook.<br><br>The HP Mini started below $500 - so it qualified. I don't get your point with that. The 10 inch screen is not totally arbitrary, and I've given a number of examples of why it is not arbitrary. If you don't have a size limit, then the term has no meaning. A netbook is all about size. You take away the size limit, what have you got? Underpowered cheap laptops? You might as well buy a used Dell from 2 years ago if you want a cheap 15 inch notebook.

The HP Mini started below $500 – so it qualified. I don't get your point with that.

]]> By: Sean http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4855 Sean Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:09:57 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4855 Good information to know. I'm liking the Asus S101 you linked as well. Not sure if this matters, but the link for the Asus S101 goes to <a href="http://abc.go.com/" rel="nofollow">ABC.com</a> instead. Good information to know. I'm liking the Asus S101 you linked as well. Not sure if this matters, but the link for the Asus S101 goes to ABC.com instead.

]]> By: kilo http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4850 kilo Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:01:57 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4850 I take issue with criteria #1. A 10 inch screen size maximum is totally arbitrary That's just the level that manufacturers have pushed the limits of netbook-dom in the past few months. I think it also is biased toward people who want netbooks because they fit a certain way in their bag rather than those who are just looking for a light-weight computer.<br><br>As for the price criteria, that is certain to change. The HP Mini-Note, under your criteria, would not qualify as a netbook as of a few months ago before the price was drop. Now it is competitive with the prices of other netbooks so it would qualify. The same thing is likely to happen with the Mini 12. I take issue with criteria #1. A 10 inch screen size maximum is totally arbitrary That's just the level that manufacturers have pushed the limits of netbook-dom in the past few months. I think it also is biased toward people who want netbooks because they fit a certain way in their bag rather than those who are just looking for a light-weight computer.

As for the price criteria, that is certain to change. The HP Mini-Note, under your criteria, would not qualify as a netbook as of a few months ago before the price was drop. Now it is competitive with the prices of other netbooks so it would qualify. The same thing is likely to happen with the Mini 12.

]]> By: Vince http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4846 Vince Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:47:41 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4846 Excellent points - I wholeheartedly concur. Semantics aside, Brad - keep covering the new Dell! Excellent points – I wholeheartedly concur. Semantics aside, Brad – keep covering the new Dell!

]]> By: platon1 http://liliputing.com/2008/10/not-every-computer-with-an-atom-cpu-is-a-netbook-or-is-it.html#comment-4854 platon1 Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:21:29 +0000 http://www.liliputing.com/?p=2573#comment-4854 It's a subnote spinoff...<br><br>I welcome your coverage of such near relations since at buying decision time one needs to keep track of upper and lower bounds...<br><br>I had an eepc 7g and replaced it with an <br>aspireone to get a bit more room on the hd and provide an alternative that used xp without a problem and still would duel boot a linux if a fully working standard version turned up...<br><br>I also use a nokia 800n for times when I want less..<br><br>But I want to keep an eye on stronger and lighter net books and their slightly larger kin for the sake of future decisions and advice to others who might want slightly more than the aspireone sized netbooks...<br><br>The attraction of Dell is that they support ubuntu which ties their netbooks into that large open source community. The eee's have a strong open source following but Asus has take a different tack in its relationship to opensource which makes their products less useful in the long run in my opinion. It's a subnote spinoff…

I welcome your coverage of such near relations since at buying decision time one needs to keep track of upper and lower bounds…

I had an eepc 7g and replaced it with an
aspireone to get a bit more room on the hd and provide an alternative that used xp without a problem and still would duel boot a linux if a fully working standard version turned up…

I also use a nokia 800n for times when I want less..

But I want to keep an eye on stronger and lighter net books and their slightly larger kin for the sake of future decisions and advice to others who might want slightly more than the aspireone sized netbooks…

The attraction of Dell is that they support ubuntu which ties their netbooks into that large open source community. The eee's have a strong open source following but Asus has take a different tack in its relationship to opensource which makes their products less useful in the long run in my opinion.

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